(March 20, 2016 at 12:44 am)Mudhammam Wrote:

(March 20, 2016 at 12:37 am)Kitan Wrote: Free will is always being capable of choosing between two obviously differentiating options.

Just because one does not believe that one option is viable does not mean the choice is not available.  It is.

Choice is always available, and accepting that reality means being a part of reality.

The story of the Garden represents, in my view, an understanding of freedom that places the blame on the man, the woman, and the serpent - but mostly the woman -

What makes you believe Eve was blamed more than Adam or the serpent (Satan).

GC

(March 22, 2016 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 19, 2016 at 4:08 pm)Nihilist Virus Wrote: What is being referred to by "it" is irrelevant to the point.  Observe that I can replace "it" with "Sponge Bob" and the point is not altered: "If Sponge Bob do evil in my sight, that he obey not my voice..."

See, the point is that the verse equates evil with disobedience.  Now please read my argument again.  Maybe try standing on a phone book thsi time so it doesn't go over your head.

You are very small minded aren't you, you can't even understand a point well spelled out to you. What the Israelites did then was worship gods that they knew did not exist, gods that had never done a thing for them. Your little attempt to keep your argument alive is nothing short of total ignorance of the Bible and what it teaches. You have failed to show that God said Adam was evil in what he did, even though it was the most tragic thing in human history, God did not hold him accountable for evil because he did not know what evil was until after his disobedience. Why don't you try to learn what the Bible actually says instead of making up junk.

GC

Exiled and cursed to die. But God wasn't holding him accountable. Lol k.

(March 22, 2016 at 12:30 am)Godschild Wrote:

(March 20, 2016 at 12:44 am)Mudhammam Wrote: The story of the Garden represents, in my view, an understanding of freedom that places the blame on the man, the woman, and the serpent - but mostly the woman -

What makes you believe Eve was blamed more than Adam or the serpent (Satan).

GC

Well, aside from how the story was historically utilized by subsequent generations to justify patriarchal and misogynistic norms, the text makes it clear that Adam's epic fail was due to the fact that he "hearkened unto the voice of thy wife"; and as far as repercussions go, it was Eve whose "desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

(March 22, 2016 at 12:30 am)Godschild- Wrote: What makes you believe Eve was blamed more than Adam or the serpent (Satan).

GC

Just look at their goddamn punishments.

Eve - Made all womankind subservient to their husbands, multiplied the pain of childbirth (if this story were remotely true, I'd say FUCK Yahweh)

The Serpent - Made him crawl on his belly.  I'm sure the snakes had it really hard.

Adam - The Ground was cursed.  Ya'know, cause no need to give Adam pain like he did Eve.

As a mother, how could I worship this sick fuck?

(March 22, 2016 at 10:33 am)Mudhammam Wrote:

(March 22, 2016 at 12:30 am)Godschild Wrote: What makes you believe Eve was blamed more than Adam or the serpent (Satan).

GC

Well, aside from how the story was historically utilized by subsequent generations to justify patriarchal and misogynistic norms, the text makes it clear that Adam's epic fail was due to the fact that he "hearkened unto the voice of thy wife"; and as far as repercussions go, it was Eve whose "desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

As for Adam falling to Eve's urging, don't you think God blamed Adam for listening to her, that's the way I see it. As for Eve she was told by Adam what God had commanded, she believed Satan over her husband, so God gave her a desire to obey him, and then God set up the way a family was to be lived, with the man at the head of it. None of this was punishment though most see it that way. Eve's punishment was pain in child birth and Adam's was to work by the sweat of his brow, and because the brought sin into humanity we all suffer the same things, even the death they were promised if they disobeyed. As for man's response to how God punished them they took it upon themselves to misinterpret what God said to control women, this was never God's intent.

GC

Adam & Eve did not exist:

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com...a-contest/

It is amazing to me that conservative religious wackos would support the death penalty and would sentence individuals to death based solely upon DNA evidence, and yet continue to hold these nutty beliefs.

(March 22, 2016 at 11:15 am)Divinity Wrote:

(March 22, 2016 at 12:30 am)Godschild- Wrote: What makes you believe Eve was blamed more than Adam or the serpent (Satan).

GC

Just look at their goddamn punishments.

Eve - Made all womankind subservient to their husbands, multiplied the pain of childbirth (if this story were remotely true, I'd say FUCK Yahweh)

The Serpent - Made him crawl on his belly.  I'm sure the snakes had it really hard.

Adam - The Ground was cursed.  Ya'know, cause no need to give Adam pain like he did Eve.

As a mother, how could I worship this sick fuck?

 See my response to Mudhamman above.

GC

(March 22, 2016 at 12:43 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote:

(March 22, 2016 at 12:26 am)Godschild Wrote: You are very small minded aren't you, you can't even understand a point well spelled out to you. What the Israelites did then was worship gods that they knew did not exist, gods that had never done a thing for them. Your little attempt to keep your argument alive is nothing short of total ignorance of the Bible and what it teaches. You have failed to show that God said Adam was evil in what he did, even though it was the most tragic thing in human history, God did not hold him accountable for evil because he did not know what evil was until after his disobedience. Why don't you try to learn what the Bible actually says instead of making up junk.

GC

Exiled and cursed to die. But God wasn't holding him accountable. Lol k.

 Please don't make me believe you're an idiot, though I'm beginning to get to that point. I said God did not hold him (Adam) responsible for an evil act, God did as He promised and punished Adam and Eve exactly as He said He would if they disobeyed Him.

GC

(March 22, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 22, 2016 at 12:43 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Exiled and cursed to die. But God wasn't holding him accountable. Lol k.

 Please don't make me believe you're an idiot, though I'm beginning to get to that point. I said God did not hold him (Adam) responsible for an evil act, God did as He promised and punished Adam and Eve exactly as He said He would if they disobeyed Him.

GC

You're an idiot; respond to this question:

Quote:Why are Southern Baptists, as a whole, willing to sentence individuals to death based solely upon DNA evidence, when that same evidence refutes the belief that human beings descended from one couple, a man (Adam) and a woman (Eve)?

(March 22, 2016 at 3:19 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 22, 2016 at 12:43 am)Nihilist Virus Wrote: Exiled and cursed to die. But God wasn't holding him accountable. Lol k.

 Please don't make me believe you're an idiot, though I'm beginning to get to that point. I said God did not hold him (Adam) responsible for an evil act, God did as He promised and punished Adam and Eve exactly as He said He would if they disobeyed Him.

GC

He punished them for disobedience. Therefore he held them accountable for disobedience. I proved from the passage in Jeremiah that disobedience to God is equivalent to evil. Therefore he held them accountable for evil. But they were unaware of good and evil until after they committed the act.