I don't have a lot of real life experience with theists, at all. I suppose some people I have known would identify with some sort of wishy-washy deism if pressed. But the religious, I've not had much to do with. In fact the most contact I've had with them is JWs hassling me. I'm not complaining of course, I'm aware many will consider me fortunate.

So I try and keep an open mind about what the "average theist" is like.

(April 15, 2016 at 1:51 am)robvalue Wrote: I don't have a lot of real life experience with theists, at all.

That explains it.

(April 14, 2016 at 10:35 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(April 14, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I just don't think trans people should be forced to have SRS to use the bathroom that suits their gender, and it's worth noting that most places (well, in my country anyway) don't provide a third bathroom.

Not everyone experiences dysphoria when it comes to their genitals, some only want top surgery and we should respect that. Some don't experience dysphoria at all.

There are also risks to the procedure and some people just decide it isn't worth it.

         Third party bathrooms are a unnecessary cost to employers, in the U.S people can claim lawsuits for facilitates not providing them. I disagree with some aspects of the LGBT community, they have a lot of valid points and some points that are nonsense. If your a man who wants to dress like a woman and get breast implants that's fine, at the end of the day your still a male no matter what you change your name to. Transgenders are still people that deserves rights and protections. These protections can only go so far though, they still have to deal the repercussions of there choices, in the aspect of society. They can't always sue for be denying jobs, no matter how accepting we become as a society there will always be the aspect of protecting your business. If a transgender person wants to work for a daycare facility, it stands a high chance that person would hurt there business; no matter how professional they are, appearance still plays a major part in face to face business's. A homosexual man or woman can look normal by our society standards, a transgender person does not have many choices there since those changes take a long time to effect. Since the process is not a easy transition (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-y...ery-works/).

First off, *you're *their. Seriously, you're a grown up (I assume).

To your points, I agree that making a third bathroom or changing all bathrooms would be an unnecessary burden on employers.

However, your understanding of what it means to be transgender is lacking. It's not a man who wants to dress up like a woman and get breast implants. Gender is not the same as sex. A person can have a penis and be a woman, and the science is backing this up in spades. fMRI scans are showing differences in both brain chemistry and neural pathways, resulting in M-F trans individuals having brains more similar to females, and vice versa. Trans men report having phantom penises, like an amputee with a phantom limb. From the time before they really know the difference in sex organs, trans kids report being in the "wrong" body. This isn't a new phenomena. It's understandable that there is a lot of confusion, thinking that all this is talking about drag queens or something of the sort, but it's not. This is a real segment of the population, and the likelihood that you've met someone suffering from GD is pretty high.

So saying that a person should be subject to losing their job because of their outward appearance is ludicrous. If a trans person is qualified to work at a daycare center, why on Earth should they be fired or laid off because a customer has a bigoted reaction? That sounds heinous to me.

(April 15, 2016 at 1:40 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 1:34 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

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It's a disorder; indeed. But it's the person's fault to become so caught up in the act.

I know what I feel. I crossdressed before, and was about to have sex with other males. I hate males who are not feminine, but I would enjoy a bottom experience.

I wasn't like this before. It began in Middle school. I began anal insertions while watching porn, lack of women and touching feminine boys in school kinda made me jump to try. There are no dildos in Saudi Arabia, so...you can guess: I used cucumbers >< 

A little by little, transexual porn became an addiction. I then began to watch hypnos -a type of porn videos that suppose to brainwash you into something else-, mmm, and then I began shaving my body, created adult accounts on sexual sites, and eventually became the bi I am now.

I remember every tiny detail. Hentai and and futanari stuff did wonders.
I'm trying to quit this lifestyle now, but it did become a "lifestyle".

I know that each of us have different point of views in terms of religion, I know too that members here are atheists mostly, but I know that the forum is about discussing religion, and I know what I desire too. 

But if you are speaking from an "Islamic" point of view, "homosexuals" were described like this in the Quran:

Sura 7
( 80 )   And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?
( 81 )   Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."

Sura 27
( 54 )   And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Do you commit immorality while you are seeing?
( 55 )   Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are ignorant folks.

Sura 29
( 28 )   And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Indeed, you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds.
( 29 )   Indeed, you approach men and obstruct the road and commit in your meetings [every] evil." And the answer of his people was not but they said, "Bring us the punishment of Allah, if you should be of the truthful.

Religiously, I think Islam was pretty obvious about it. Immorality, transgression and an ignorant act.
If it's your opinion, believe I have nothing against that, I myself might fall for a transexual. I already fell to boys before.

But as a person who reads the Quran constantly, I have to mention these verses.

If it's not the person's fault, it's the fault of somebody, society perhaps ? I believe that.
Saudi Arabia did some nasty things to my sexual desire. I can date every fetish I have to an event..

[color=#000000]Ah..just wanted to speak my mind.[/

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Jeez, you sure went into detail..

You don't say, girl 
They had a video together BTW, Natalie was just new to this and was so stupid (in a cute way), what I expected didn't happen and there is no chemistry between the two, but ya know, a 169 redhead would sure win my heart   Gingers deserve love too. Natalie is just like that.

I hate Bailey now ><

(April 15, 2016 at 2:09 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 1:40 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Jeez, you sure went into detail..

You don't say, girl 
They had a video together BTW, Natalie was just new to this and was so stupid (in a cute way), what I expected didn't happen and there is no chemistry between the two, but ya know, a 169 redhead would sure win my heart   Gingers deserve love too. Natalie is just like that.

I hate Bailey now ><

Nah. Bailey FTW.


She's bae.  

(I don't actually use that term on a regular basis btw)

(April 15, 2016 at 1:43 am)robvalue Wrote: This discussion has been very enlightening for me, on all sides.

I find it somewhat ironic that the theists in the thread, in general, have a more negative spin on someone feeling the desire/need to be transgender. They are describing how incompetent or cruel their alleged designer is, to have set things up this way. Of course, they will find a way to excuse the designer from any responsibility, as usual. The atheists, in general, seem far more accepting of people how they are, regardless of whether it's a "condition" or a choice for any particular person.

Of course, I don't take our forum theists to be representative of theists in general.

Modern culture just managed to twist humanity. I'm not blaming God because I know what humans do.
Do you expect me to grow in this environment, and not be the way I am?





Sunni Saudi Arabia my ass.

(April 15, 2016 at 2:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Do you expect me to grow in this environment, and not be the way I am?

The environment into which one is raised is not the final solution to whom one becomes.

(April 15, 2016 at 2:13 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 2:09 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You don't say, girl 
They had a video together BTW, Natalie was just new to this and was so stupid (in a cute way), what I expected didn't happen and there is no chemistry between the two, but ya know, a 169 redhead would sure win my heart   Gingers deserve love too. Natalie is just like that.

I hate Bailey now ><

Nah. Bailey FTW.


She's bae.  

Look..she has the cutest face expressions, I agree.
So kissable. Fun. I know.



But Bella..have some love for your own countrygirls, you have lots of redhead beauties in there.
And a girl like you, even if you weren't a redhead, I'm sure you kick ass.

Even Baily's ass.

Natalie though..a redhead nerd???
Aaaaa...FTW

(April 15, 2016 at 2:19 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 2:16 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Do you expect me to grow in this environment, and not be the way I am?

The environment into which one is raised is not the final solution to whom one becomes.

I agree..look how they treat "Hashoomy" in the video.

In Saudi Arabia, the culture of "Hetrosexual" men who are gays -and everybody is gay there; almost- is based on treating pretty gurls so badly. I learned to love transexuals, and pretty boys -gurls- instead. From head to toe.

So..yeah. you have a point.

Bella. even if they ban me from the forum, I want to give you flowers:



Please accept this flower.