(April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:26 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I didn't say offering up control or offering up a service.  

I'm saying when a woman wants to have sex with a man and has sex with a man she's utilizing control over what she owns.

When a person hires who they want to hire or sells to who they want to sell to they're utilizing control over what they own.  (if it is the owner of the business doing the hiring)

I can't even have this discussion with you because I know you're not a moron. Which means you're pretending a position just to try to prove a point. It's dishonest and annoying. I don't have time for it. Argue it with someone else.

It's not even a position or me pretending I'm just drawing a comparison.  You have said that my points are invalid and stupid but haven't shown why.

You believe that a person who owns a business shouldn't have a much control over their business they own as much a woman has over her own body that she owns.

I'm not specifically saying anything for or against that I'm just drawing the comparison that the two both do involve ownership and decision making based on that ownership.

If that's stupid then point out why.

Whether it does or not effect the number of people doing it and make it easier, the problem is you are sacrificing the well being of Transgenders for simply decreasing the amount of peeping my pervs. It's not worth it in my view.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Whether it does or not effect the number of people doing it and make it easier, the problem is you are sacrificing the well being of Transgenders for simply decreasing the amount of peeping my pervs. It's not worth it in my view.

And it truly doesn't make a difference. I don't know where everyone thinks trans women have been peeing all this time...

(April 15, 2016 at 9:36 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:28 pm)Losty Wrote: I can't even have this discussion with you because I know you're not a moron. Which means you're pretending a position just to try to prove a point. It's dishonest and annoying. I don't have time for it. Argue it with someone else.

It's not even a position or me pretending I'm just drawing a comparison.  You have said that my points are invalid and stupid but haven't shown why.

You believe that a person who owns a business shouldn't have a much control over their business they own as much a woman has over her own body that she owns.

I'm not specifically saying anything for or against that I'm just drawing the comparison that the two both do involve ownership and decision making based on that ownership.

If that's stupid then point out why.

Should a business be able to discriminate against a certain religion or sect? Why or why not? Yet when it comes to marriage, we easily can base our decisions on religion or sect? Why or why not?

(April 15, 2016 at 9:40 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Whether it does or not effect the number of people doing it and make it easier, the problem is you are sacrificing the well being of Transgenders for simply decreasing the amount of peeping my pervs. It's not worth it in my view.

And it truly doesn't make a difference. I don't know where everyone thinks trans women have been peeing all this time...

They've been holding it in, the whole time!

(April 15, 2016 at 9:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:36 pm)paulpablo Wrote: It's not even a position or me pretending I'm just drawing a comparison.  You have said that my points are invalid and stupid but haven't shown why.

You believe that a person who owns a business shouldn't have a much control over their business they own as much a woman has over her own body that she owns.

I'm not specifically saying anything for or against that I'm just drawing the comparison that the two both do involve ownership and decision making based on that ownership.

If that's stupid then point out why.

Should a business be able to discriminate against a certain religion or sect? Why or why not? Yet when it comes to marriage, we easily can base our decisions on religion or sect? Why or why not?

I think businesses should be required to service everyone equally regardless of personal religious beliefs.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:41 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:36 pm)paulpablo Wrote: It's not even a position or me pretending I'm just drawing a comparison.  You have said that my points are invalid and stupid but haven't shown why.

You believe that a person who owns a business shouldn't have a much control over their business they own as much a woman has over her own body that she owns.

I'm not specifically saying anything for or against that I'm just drawing the comparison that the two both do involve ownership and decision making based on that ownership.

If that's stupid then point out why.

Should a business be able to discriminate against a certain religion or sect? Why or why not? Yet when it comes to marriage, we easily can base our decisions on religion or sect? Why or why not?

I really don't know the answers.  As I have said it just depends to what extent you think people should have control over what they own and the method you want to use to interfere with that control.

Besides if I answer you with my gut instinct answer it will severely derail the thread which I don't want to do, if you want to start a new thread I can answer the question there.

(April 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Jello Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:27 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It's okay...it's been a long, hard train wreck of a thread...pun intended, lol.  [emoji6]

Is a thread about a controversial topic ever not train wreck-y?

Anyways, apologies CL, I totally jumped the gun there, too used to that assumption being used far too much D:

Lol, it's okay we've all done it. Some people watch too much Lifetime. (Me).

(April 15, 2016 at 10:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm)Jello Wrote: Is a thread about a controversial topic ever not train wreck-y?

Anyways, apologies CL, I totally jumped the gun there, too used to that assumption being used far too much D:

Lol, it's okay we've all done it.   Some people watch too much Lifetime.  (Me).

Me too. OMG Bastard Out of Carolina T_T

(April 15, 2016 at 10:04 pm)Losty Wrote:

(April 15, 2016 at 10:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Lol, it's okay we've all done it.   Some people watch too much Lifetime.  (Me).

Me too. OMG Bastard Out of Carolina T_T

Lmao! Never heard of that one! I am a fan of "sleeping with the enemy."