(April 18, 2016 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 10:38 am)Mathilda Wrote: You haven't even demonstrated that you know what empathy is. Demonstrate to us that you understand the concept and what it means, rather than some dictionary definition.

Empathy here is not a consideration. What is, is the development of the child. In that I do not care in what he or she feels at the moment of a good swat, what is being considered is the long term respect, accountability, and adherence to their obligations as a member of a family or community.

To talk about empathy in this discussion is as meaningless as talking about how mud 'feels' when it's being driven over. Yes if you were the mud it sucks, but at the same time the goal is not mud that feels good it's crossing the mud in your truck or car without getting stuck.

Who cares what the mud feels like when the goal is moving your car or truck in a given direction.

So you are unable to demonstrate that you understand the concept of empathy or why it is important. You talk about obligation and nothing else.

How do you know that this isn't a result of how your father beat you as a child?

(April 18, 2016 at 10:30 am)Drich Wrote: Or they can simply thank me as I did my father for teaching me discipline and accountability.

(April 18, 2016 at 10:37 am)Alex K Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 10:07 am)pool the great Wrote: Well, in my opinion, dogs do show varied behavior, some respond positively to physical punishment and some respond negatively, so it seems kind of unfair to generalize like that, I give my boy Rambo a good slap in the back when he goes and drinks drainage water it has taught him that behavior will cause him pain so he refrains, he didn't become more aggressive, he actually respects me more and doesn't drink drainage water anymore. Again, it depends on the dog you deal with.

Read again what I wrote. I was talking about punishment that the dog has no way of linking to a specific action of his because it is delayed or otherwise confusing.

This is not true for all dogs.. I would say yes for most but not all. I have some extremely smart dogs, or I have very stupid one that respond well to my training. The point being you can't take one dog or one breed of dog and say it's training will yield the same result on all dogs, and or then take that a step further and say those who do not train a dog like I do are evil.

There are 1000 different ways to train dogs, and hundreds of different tools. the thing is to match the dog with the right tool and the right training method.

The same is true for children. I have worked with children of all grade levels and all mental capasity levels all my life. From raising them myself, to sunday school teacher, to boy scout leader, to camp consolur, to big brother program to various mentorships to just taking kids, to organized inner city programs, and even to help single parents from time to time. I've personally seen a wide spectrum of personalities and levels of understanding. However what I don't understand is the hippy mentality that says we are all unique snow flakes, but at the same time can be reared the same exact cookie cutter way.

 No, some children require reason and understanding and can be coaxed into anything even a strangers van if the stranger simply uses the same 'reasoning' methods the parents use. (they did a 20/20 on this and guns and strangers) What they showed us is some children have been trained to respond to a certain reasoning style from anyone they consider to be any type of authority. Then there are others who need who no amount of reasoning will ever change the child's will. Taking the tool of a good spanking out of the parents tool box is a foolish mistake. Because again not all children are the little cookie cutter ginger bread men you all make them out to be.

Like with the dogs you have to use the right tool with the right training method on the right person. Those who only say one type of training method are bad short sighted people no matter how they discipline their child.

(April 18, 2016 at 10:58 am)Thena323 Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 10:30 am)Drich Wrote: When you know something (done right) absolutely works you will have absolutely no issue or doubt implementing it even if the world is dead set against it.

So what, if it works? 
Setting your home on fire, will absolutely solve a termite problem.

And sometimes you have to burn it down to rebuild it the right way. We should not shun nor be afraid of taking things down to the foundation and rebuilding. The only time we shouldn't is if we will not be their to personally relay every single brick by hand if need be.

Tearing down is only a 1/4 of the spanking process, the other 3/4 is building back up stronger.

You are replacing a child's mentality with something better/stronger something that will help him navigate the rest of his life despite obsticals and stress.

(April 18, 2016 at 11:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 10:54 am)Drich Wrote: Empathy here is not a consideration. What is, is the development of the child. In that I do not care in what he or she feels at the moment of a good swat, what is being considered is the long term respect, accountability, and adherence to their obligations as a member of a family or community.

To talk about empathy in this discussion is as meaningless as talking about how mud 'feels' when it's being driven over. Yes if you were the mud it sucks, but at the same time the goal is not mud that feels good it's crossing the mud in your truck or car without getting stuck.

Who cares what the mud feels like when the goal is moving your car or truck in a given direction.

So you are unable to demonstrate that you understand the concept of empathy or why it is important. You talk about obligation and nothing else.

How do you know that this isn't a result of how your father beat you as a child?

(April 18, 2016 at 10:30 am)Drich Wrote: Or they can simply thank me as I did my father for teaching me discipline and accountability.

No what I am saying is unlike your children I will not be manipulated into doing your bidding for the sake of empathy. I don't care what that makes me in your eyes or people who think as corruptly as you do.

Empathy is not nor ever will be the controlling factor in my life empathy will never be the deciding factor for anything. The love I have for God and the Love I have for others will be, Even if it means putting others through the grinder for their own good.

I can train any dog without hitting it.

(April 18, 2016 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 11:11 am)Mathilda Wrote: So you are unable to demonstrate that you understand the concept of empathy or why it is important. You talk about obligation and nothing else.

How do you know that this isn't a result of how your father beat you as a child?

No what I am saying is unlike your children I will not be manipulated into doing your bidding for the sake of empathy. I don't care what that makes me in your eyes or people who think as corruptly as you do.

Empathy is not nor ever will be the controlling factor in my life empathy will never be the deciding factor for anything. The love I have for God and the Love I have for others will be, Even if it means putting others through the grinder for their own good.

That doesn't answer my question.

How do you know that being beaten by your father when you were a child isn't responsible for you lacking empathy and being unable to understand why it is important?

(April 18, 2016 at 9:32 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 17, 2016 at 12:33 am)Losty Wrote: There's a Facebook page I just "liked" today
https://www.facebook.com/Georgia-Coaliti...236918863/

I'm very interested to see what, if anything, they actually do to help the cause.

I'm not a violent person, I don't believe violence is the answer to solve any problem. But honestly, I might accidentally beat someone to death if they tried to do that to my child. Fucking disgusting

So violence is not the way to solve the ISIS problem?

Violence is a short term fix like duct tape. The real way to cure the world of ISIS is via education and helping the poor.

(April 18, 2016 at 9:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(April 17, 2016 at 4:33 am)Losty Wrote: Children are so easy. That's what I don't get. People are so fucking lazy that they can't bend down and take two minutes to use a firm but gentle tone to calm a child?

and if he responds to positive your warm gentle tone, with a kick to the gentiles and a loogie to the face??

I will admit, this method is easier if you do it from the start. But if a child were to kick me and spit on me, my reaction would obviously be to tell him/her that I simply cannot talk with someone who is acting so mean. Then I would completely ignore them until they seemed calm. Then I would try again. Patience is important with kids. I have personally seen this method work with "severely behavioral" children. I used to volunteer in a classroom with severe autism kids, and this method generally works even on them. While they may not understand why they can't bite you many could at least work out that if they bite you you'll ignore them. Kids don't like to be ignored.

(April 18, 2016 at 11:18 am)Drich Wrote: Empathy is not nor ever will be the controlling factor in my life empathy will never be the deciding factor for anything. The love I have for God and the Love I have for others will be, Even if it means putting others through the grinder for their own good.

If you don't understand that love is connected to empathy to be more than just a word, you're indeed a very poor person. One wonders why you seem to believe that even one of us could be attracted to your kind of christianity. But, of course, to understand that, you would need to have some empathy.