I could have worded that line about Trump a lit better. And I'll use Hillary's excuse after she was confronted about her lying about her trip to Bosnia: "It was late at night and I hadn't had much sleep". But yes, it was silly of me to say that.

What I was tying to get at, is Trump has said loads of things that should end a political career and he isn't afraid to show he has ripped up the political Playbook. One of the things people have aid they like about Trump is that he isn't afraid to say things that should end a political career. I think he really believes the things he says about immigrants and entire religions, even if that does make him a hypocrite for employing those Polish immigrants.

Hillary, on the other hand, doesn't want to admit to her dislike of brown and black people, but her comments about "super-predators" and her foreign policy speak volumes. It's very concerning that black people still like Hillary, especially given our technological age. It's much easier to see if a person has been lying.

One of the things that Trump supporters are very soon to learn is that their man, like any other candidate, will moderate his tone after his assumed nomination. It's an American political pattern that goes back generations. If they're too stupid to see it, sucks to be them.

(May 3, 2016 at 5:22 am)Irrational Wrote:

Yeah, that's bullshit.

(May 3, 2016 at 5:24 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(May 3, 2016 at 5:22 am)Irrational Wrote:

Yeah, that's bullshit.

You put a lot of thought into that response, didn't you?

(May 3, 2016 at 5:35 am)Irrational Wrote:

(May 3, 2016 at 5:24 am)Bella Morte Wrote: Yeah, that's bullshit.

You put a lot of thought into that response, didn't you?

Okay, let's just wait and see how they change your country. Guaranteed they do fuck all. Bernie probably won't win the presidency either. So I didn't have to put much thought into the response because what I said was simply it.

Whatever happens, let's just hope Trump doesn't win. Because it doesn't just affect America, a lunatic like him leading the most powerful country (well, hopefully not for long) in the world affects everyone.

(May 3, 2016 at 6:04 am)Bella Morte Wrote:

(May 3, 2016 at 5:35 am)Irrational Wrote: You put a lot of thought into that response, didn't you?

Okay, let's just wait and see how they change your country. Guaranteed they do fuck all. Bernie probably won't win the presidency either. So I didn't have to put much thought into the response because what I said was simply it.

Whatever happens, let's just hope Trump doesn't win. Because it doesn't just affect America, a lunatic like him leading the most powerful country (well, hopefully not for long) in the world affects everyone.

Honestly the system is rigged for the most corrupted pandering person to win. 
In all honest i don't think hillary or trump will win because of this... Once the FBI comes forward
with their findings she will face jail time.  Hillary may or may not have someone in the in the inside
to slow down or pretty much slow down search on her who knows but this only adds for of a daming
case against why people should vote for her... If the founding fathers were alive today they would 
all agree that sanders is the best person to vote for. But lets have Hillary and Trump clash for now
Bernie can go back get states that are majority Hillary and Trump supporters on his side and win this 
it's sneaky i know but that's how you pull the rug on such corrupt individuals.

(May 1, 2016 at 8:14 pm)Irrational Wrote: Minimalist, please stop with this misleading data. You're still including superdelegates even after Tiberius and others have made this very clear to you. Sanders is only behind by a 200-300 points.

Right? For someone who seems intent on presenting themselves as being knowledgable or at least experienced with American politics, Min fails miserably when it comes to how the primary system actually works.

There's a word used for people who have clinched the nomination by numbers alone: presumptive nominee. Trump will probably get that status with the remaining primaries. Clinton may not even get that status before the convention, because if the number of remaining pledged delegates are split evenly, Clinton would have 2,267, which is less than needed.

If you count superdelegates, then sure, she would be the presumptive nominee, but the point of superdelegates is they can change their mind at any time. If Clinton is indicted by the FBI before the convention, how many superdelegates would switch to ensure that an accused criminal wasn't the nominee?

(May 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I have no delusions of grandeur, guys.

If Sanders won it would be a continuation of republicunt obstructionism just like the last 8 years.  Meanwhile, they will continue to make the red states redder with voter suppression and gerry-mandering and you'll all sit there and whine about how "unfair" it all is.

Politics is about power.  It looks as if you are going to have to learn that the hard way.

I don't think any of us have delusions of grandeur either, but I honestly don't see your logic with the obstructionism argument. If anything, Clinton is more hated than Obama by the Republicans. She's got a shady history, she's married to a President they all hate. If a Sanders win means obstructionism, I fail to see how a Clinton win would be different.

The advantage I see with Bernie is that he manages to excite the public about politics. His rallies are huge; he gets people (including independents) out to vote. The same doesn't happen with Clinton. As you yourself admit, the Democrats need to win back the House. How can that happen if Democratic voters don't turn out to vote? A President Bernie would actively encourage voters to vote in mid-terms.

(May 1, 2016 at 11:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I think the republicunts would have torn Sanders to shreds in the general election.

For a considerable portion of the electorate this is all they needed.

They tried that with Obama. In the end, nobody cared. It didn't sway any voters who weren't already voting Republican. If anything, this election cycle has demonstrated that there is a huge amount of support for an openly socialist candidate.

Quote:Otherwise, aside from the pie-in-the-sky nature of some of Sanders' proposals you're right.  There is no real difference between them...except Gun Control which I strongly favor.

As others have pointed out, none of Sanders' proposals are pie-in-the-sky; they work perfectly well in other countries. I ask you, what is the point of a President who talks about appeasing his opponents and only focusing on issues that he thinks the Republicans can compromise on? No thank you. I'd rather have a President who stands up and says "this is what the American people deserve, this is what we could have".

(May 2, 2016 at 8:01 pm)Losty Wrote: "Trump isn't afraid to voice his real views"

Lol. Do you mean the Trump who identifies as a Democrat or the current trump?
Do you mean pro-choice Trump or pro-life Trump?

Yeah lol! I know what you mean.

Hey, here's another one:

Do you they mean thoroughly amoral and untrustworthy Trump with an agenda or thoroughly amoral and untrustworthy Trump with an ag- oh wait.

#epicfail

(May 3, 2016 at 1:30 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: I could have worded that line about Trump a lit better. And I'll use Hillary's excuse after she was confronted about her lying about her trip to Bosnia: "It was late at night and I hadn't had much sleep". But yes, it was silly of me to say that.

What I was tying to get at, is Trump has said loads of things that should end a political career and he isn't afraid to show he has ripped up the political Playbook. One of the things people have aid they like about Trump is that he isn't afraid to say things that should end a political career. I think he really believes the things he says about immigrants and entire religions, even if that does make him a hypocrite for employing those Polish immigrants.

Hillary, on the other hand, doesn't want to admit to her dislike of brown and black people, but her comments about "super-predators" and her foreign policy speak volumes. It's very concerning that black people still like Hillary, especially given our technological age. It's much easier to see if a person has been lying.

I am so sick of people's demagoguery of her. At best Bill's  choice of words back when that was said, was a stupid way of trying to separate blacks from black criminals.And Bill was stupid to use it again the other day. It was also after a decade of Adam Walsh being murdered and the GOP pushback to the explosion of drug use of the studio 54 and Hippy generation of the 60s and 70s. If they are to blame for anything, it was stupidly trying to compete with the right to prove how tough on crime they could be.

But the bigoted Southern democrats were not around when they took office, the parties have flipped, the old republicans were the progressives but are now today's bible belt bigots.

The party as a whole, regardless of what you think of Bill or her, are still progressives and that is still who they have their base votes from. It is fucking stupid to me to make any one politician in an entire government the scapegoat equating them to the voters as if they are all one person. Hillary is not perfect in the least, but to try to call her or Bill bigots is flat out fucking bullshit.

The current party of hate and bigotry as a whole, while even democrats in the south can be bigots too, on average the overwhelming amount of hate and fear and bigotry is on the right, not the left. And if you want to blame anyone for that, it still remains with both parties and especially the 1% it is still controlled as a majority by the economic right and when you get up to the uber billioniars, outside Oprah, there are not many minority billionaires the general public can name off the top of their heads.

But when it comes to promoting equality for women and minorities, the democratic party as a whole as it stands now, is on the  right side of history..

I'd only argue that Hillary stop trying to compete with the right and tell them to fuck off. But, it still takes voters to tell her that, and all our politicians, not just her.