(May 4, 2016 at 2:33 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Ordinary Europeans are tired of being held on a leash by America. Clinton will continue Obama's terrible foreign policy: drag NATO into more pointless wars...

If ordinary Europeans feel that way, there is a fairly easy solution. Nobody's forcing NATO membership on you. You can opt out and maybe form a mutual defense pact that only includes European members.

(May 4, 2016 at 8:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 4, 2016 at 5:31 pm)Losty Wrote: Oh by the way Mini, the current delegate difference is 321

Not according to this...

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphi...e-tracker/

I can't get the page to load, but if it says around 2205 to 1401 it's because it's counting delegates that have not been pledged and cannot be pledged until the convention.

I'd just like to say that I did not chose to be an American anymore than I chose to be white, or female. It's a happenstance of my birth. I do not think I deserve a criminal, or a moron as president. And honestly neither do the stupid people in my country. In a way, that's a sort of victim blaming. If a person is born poor, indoctrinated young, and given limited access to education, what do we expect the majority of them to become? Those in power like to keep us fat and uneducated because then it is easier for them to keep power, and to get away with murder. But this does not mean the poor, unwashed masses deserve it. Even if they ask for it. It is what they are taught is right, and they are given no tools to question what they have been taught.

Time To Start Tasting Everyone's Wine, Bernie.

Sorry, it just felt like a fun thing to say.

Lolwut

When I disagree with the sentiment of a thread title, I often like to quasi-spoonerize it.

Quote:I can't get the page to load, but if it says around 2205 to 1401 it's because it's counting delegates that have not been pledged and cannot be pledged until the convention.

I know.  Any day now the "super delegates" are just going to go flocking to Sanders because..... apparently because that is the mythology which fuels the campaign.  What can I say?  Cruz thought jesus loved him, too.  Meanwhile, even though he 'won' Indiana the race was so close that he actually now needs to win a higher percentage of the remaining delegates than before his victory.  If he won every primary 55-45 the rest of the way out he would find Hillary sitting in a hammock with a glass of lemonade when he got to the finish line.

(May 4, 2016 at 10:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:I can't get the page to load, but if it says around 2205 to 1401 it's because it's counting delegates that have not been pledged and cannot be pledged until the convention.

I know.  Any day now the "super delegates" are just going to go flocking to Sanders because..... apparently because that is the mythology which fuels the campaign.  What can I say?  Cruz thought jesus loved him, too.  Meanwhile, even though he 'won' Indiana the race was so close that he actually now needs to win a higher percentage of the remaining delegates than before his victory.  If he won every primary 55-45 the rest of the way out he would find Hillary sitting in a hammock with a glass of lemonade when he got to the finish line.

Nobody thinks it will happen by magic, dude. If he pulls ahead in pledged delegates (which wouldn't actually be as hard as you seem to think...Hillary's pledged delegate lead is slim enough that California alone would do it, especially if their numbers turn out anything like Washington's, which were decisively in Sanders' favor), then the superdelegates will start to migrate. They have never in history voted against the will of the people at the convention, and if they do it this time they are practically guaranteed to lose the general election.


Furthermore, if she gets indicted by the FBI (unlikely, I know) then the supers will start moving no matter what else is going on.


If the voters don't give Sanders enough pledged delegates to initiate that migration, then they deserve to have Trump beat Hillary when she gets nominated, which is exactly what will happen. She is projected to beat exactly no one in the general election at this point, so it looks like the democrats' big political strategy is to lose the next 4 years to Adolf Trump. Boy, that'll show those free-loading Millenials who's boss!

(May 4, 2016 at 8:51 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(May 4, 2016 at 2:33 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Ordinary Europeans are tired of being held on a leash by America. Clinton will continue Obama's terrible foreign policy: drag NATO into more pointless wars...

If ordinary Europeans feel that way, there is a fairly easy solution. Nobody's forcing NATO membership on you. You can opt out and maybe form a mutual defense pact that only includes European members.

Well the politicians are forcing the status quo. But people are tired of the status quo. Europe has lots of debt so selling more war to people is hard.

And, just to add, the super delegates are, in theory, supposed to give the Democratic Party the "more electable candidate". When Hilary gets indicted, that's exactly the sort of scenario where super delegates are supposed to overturn the will of the voters. If the super delegates don't act in that situation, then they are pointless because they are undemocratic (even though most of them always go with the winning candidate so they are mostly useless) and don't do as intended when they are supposed to.

(May 4, 2016 at 8:51 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(May 4, 2016 at 2:33 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: Ordinary Europeans are tired of being held on a leash by America. Clinton will continue Obama's terrible foreign policy: drag NATO into more pointless wars...

If ordinary Europeans feel that way, there is a fairly easy solution. Nobody's forcing NATO membership on you. You can opt out and maybe form a mutual defense pact that only includes European members.

Not that simple, unfortunately.