(April 12, 2011 at 8:58 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: But lets be honest. Are those women wearing burkhas because they WANT to wear them? Maybe some of them are. How many are wearing them because their husband demands it and they fear a backlash in their small, french Islamic community

Why should one person loose their freedom to dress as they choose because someone else is dressed like that to avoid backlash?

(April 12, 2011 at 8:58 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I am against the Burkha ban, and I am against Burkhas..if you can understand that, then you can understand my position on this.

That is pretty much where I stand with this. I do not think the government should be able to tell people what to wear. However, people should have to remove face coverings when necessary. Shit, there are restaurants with dress codes, why not banks? As for being 'against' Burkas, I am not quite 'against' them. I am against the oppression that they symbolize. If a woman truly feels more comfortable wearing it, without any outside influence, then I feel about the Burka the same way I feel about a scarf . . . nothing. However, if the Burka is an excuse for her husband to beat the shit out of her (if she doesn't wear it), then I hate the Burka and would gladly help any oppressed Muslim woman burn the shit out of her Burka and get her husband arrested.

(April 12, 2011 at 10:46 am)theVOID Wrote: Why should one person loose their freedom to dress as they choose because someone else is dressed like that to avoid backlash?

Well the problem is the image associated with the burqa. Take the buddhist symbol that was reversed and then used by the Nazis to make the swastika (sp?). That symbol has fallen into oblivion even though it has nothing to do with Nazis. It's all about what the image is. Burqas are a symbol of oppression and religious fanatism and that is why it is seen as nocive. Freedom to dress, like every freedom in practice, is limited.

(April 11, 2011 at 9:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Who'd of thought the French would have more balls than the Brits?

You know as well as I do Min that some of the americans call the French "Cheese eating surrender monkeys."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJAw-fuYHk

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(April 12, 2011 at 10:46 am)theVOID Wrote:

(April 12, 2011 at 8:58 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: But lets be honest. Are those women wearing burkhas because they WANT to wear them? Maybe some of them are. How many are wearing them because their husband demands it and they fear a backlash in their small, french Islamic community

Why should one person loose their freedom to dress as they choose because someone else is dressed like that to avoid backlash?

Oh no. I am opposed to the ban AND the Burkhas. I dont want to make the decision for these people. I was merely wondering out loud in that situation.

Let them wear their stuff...

..2 conditions I ABSOLUTELY will NOT budge on...

They cant be masked when they get their drivers license photos or ID's

They cant be masked in security/safety situations.

So if they get pulled over for speeding, dont go claiming "persecution" when the cop asks for you to unveil yourself so he can verify your identity and photo ID. Unveil yourself or be put in jail in that situation.

(April 12, 2011 at 5:07 am)theVOID Wrote: In the west? In the West I want to see people can cover their faces if they fucking well want to, I don't care if they do it for religious reasons or a dislike of sunlight on the face.

Try going into a bank, police station or mall in Florida with your face covered. You won't get very far. Same goes for driving a car with a ski mask on.

Quote:Oh, so stomping on a persons freedom to dress as they chose is "having balls"?

Nope. Saying "no" to muslims is having balls.



Like spoiled children they throw tantrums when Mommy or Daddy says "no."

(April 12, 2011 at 12:39 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: You know as well as I do Min that some of the americans call the French "Cheese eating surrender monkeys."

You know as well as I do that some of the Americans are beer swilling morons terrified of those more cultured, educated, and thoughtful then they are.

The people in that picture, I sure hope, are currently on 24 hour monitoring by the government. We should thank them for coming out in the open and identifying themselves.

Islam is a dung heap!

*jacks a 12 guage Saiga with high brass slugs*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZeXWJOl1H8&NR=1
how you get around full auto laws..with skill and bumping

Yeah come and butcher and slay me

(April 12, 2011 at 1:17 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(April 12, 2011 at 12:39 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: You know as well as I do Min that some of the americans call the French "Cheese eating surrender monkeys."

You know as well as I do that some of the Americans are beer swilling morons terrified of those more cultured, educated, and thoughtful then they are.

Both of these statements are true?

Shell Wrote:That is pretty much where I stand with this. I do not think the government should be able to tell people what to wear. However, people should have to remove face coverings when necessary. Shit, there are restaurants with dress codes, why not banks? As for being 'against' Burkas, I am not quite 'against' them. I am against the oppression that they symbolize. If a woman truly feels more comfortable wearing it, without any outside influence, then I feel about the Burka the same way I feel about a scarf . . . nothing. However, if the Burka is an excuse for her husband to beat the shit out of her (if she doesn't wear it), then I hate the Burka and would gladly help any oppressed Muslim woman burn the shit out of her Burka and get her husband arrested.

Honestly... how does someone covering their face affect security? All it serves is as a heightened sense of anonymity whether 'committing' a crime or not. If you really want to protect a bank: armed guards are the way to go.

I am not against the Burka, not even a little bit. An abusive husband will be so whether one wears a burka or not.

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(April 12, 2011 at 1:28 pm)Jaysyn Wrote:

(April 12, 2011 at 1:17 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(April 12, 2011 at 12:39 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: You know as well as I do Min that some of the americans call the French "Cheese eating surrender monkeys."

You know as well as I do that some of the Americans are beer swilling morons terrified of those more cultured, educated, and thoughtful then they are.

Both of these statements are true?

Yes, with a few exceptions (ie: me, atheistphil).