(May 17, 2016 at 12:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: ...okay...

Quote:Dogma is a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. The term can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, religion, or issued decisions of political authorities.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma

Quote: At it's sustaining core there are two demonstrable truths, a counteragent regarding the first two and a final method to free oneself from them...the rest is philosophy and/or window dressing.

...and?

Buddhism doesn't demand acceptance via eternal damnation nor accusations of heresy.

Buddhism doesn't demand adherence...no one is forcing you to accept it through the dogma of eternal damnation nor accusations of heresy...etc.

That's not what dogma means.....lol.  

On that note, though, buddhists never were much for eternal damnation or accusations of heresy...they seem to have preferred more worldly threats and violence - and even simple economic extortion.  China put an end to one of the more recent examples when they annexed the then theocratic Tibet. I could rattle off a few dozen other examples of buddhisms bloody history, but they're unremarkable in that they're no different than the example of tibet, or the examples of any other social order marginalizing and oppressing an out-group...even when the out-group was, itself, another buddhist sect.

(May 17, 2016 at 1:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That's not what dogma means.....lol.  

On that note, though, buddhists never were much for eternal damnation or accusations of heresy...they seem to have preferred more worldly threats and violence - and even simple economic extortion.  China put an end to one of the more recent examples when they annexed the then theocratic Tibet.

It's not Islamic dogma which hold that atheists are heretics are should be put to death?!    


As for the latter...you've just reduced yourself to specious trolling.

Is it not buddhist dogma that;

Quote:there are two demonstrable truths, a counteragent regarding the first two and a final method to free oneself from them...

Disappointingly, you seem to think that your dogma is not dogma because it's not the same as their dogma.

(May 17, 2016 at 12:26 pm)quip Wrote:

(December 30, 2015 at 9:47 am)Brian37 Wrote: So why the attack on Buddhism? Because it is also part of one species, one planet and one evolution. It should not be blasphemy or ridicule free either. That religion was born from Hinduism and the Vedas. The legend of the first Buddha was also a magical story where the divine told his mother Queen Maya that she would give birth to a baby who would bring wisdom to the world, he too had a birth that avoided the birth canal. And it is a religion to call it anything less is bullshit to me. It too has moral codes and holy people and competing sects and different interpretations. While some are atheists and call it a philosophy, others hold the superstitions of "nats"(spirits) and Karma and reincarnation.

Buddhism is as much a superstition as any other religion stemming from mythology.

Buddhism holds to no dogma. At it's sustaining core there are two demonstrable truths, a counteragent regarding the first two and a final method to free oneself from them...the rest is philosophy and/or window dressing.
Take it as you wish....Buddhism doesn't care.

Bullshit......It is as much a religion and a "dogma" as any other. They have social structures, holy heros, holy writings and holy places and holy monks like any other religion. The are not perfectly unifying as an umbrella label either. A Tibet Buddhist isn't going to agree with a Chinese Buddhist or a Japanese Buddhist. The history of Buddhism has had it's own violence between sects and outsiders, and it also suffers from sexism and bigotry too.

No "philosophy" is a cop out bullshit word to avoid the word "religion" it is a religion. Some people viewing it as philosophy does not negate the fact that ultimately it is still a religion. There are different competing sub sects so you cannot call the entire label a "philosophy". That is just a watered down excuse to avoid the fact Buddhism suffers the same flaws of human interpretation all others suffer from with their competing sub sects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...in_Myanmar

Sexism exists in Buddhism too.

https://vimeo.com/131814486 

Now, don't pull the bullshit all religions pull "not all", "interpretation" or "they aren't practicing it right" . Every fucking religion pulls those excuses....  "Most don't", is a dodge when any religion pulls it. Religion itself is not a cure otherwise there would be no violence at all under any religion, but as shown, there is. That is because RELIGION itself is not a magic pill, no label has magic powers to prevent violence by it's members. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in religion, or the bullshit word "philosophy". Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution. 

Every nation friend and foe alike have hospitals and prisons. Buddhism one of many religions but has no special powers anymore than any other religion has special powers. All religions are merely clubs most humans get sold at birth, but no one religion is a cure, not even within the same umbrella label.

(May 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 17, 2016 at 12:26 pm)quip Wrote: Buddhism holds to no dogma. At it's sustaining core there are two demonstrable truths, a counteragent regarding the first two and a final method to free oneself from them...the rest is philosophy and/or window dressing.
Take it as you wish....Buddhism doesn't care.

Bullshit......It is as much a religion and a "dogma" as any other. They have social structures, holy heros, holy writings and holy places and holy monks like any other religion. The are not perfectly unifying as an umbrella label either. A Tibet Buddhist isn't going to agree with a Chinese Buddhist or a Japanese Buddhist. The history of Buddhism has had it's own violence between sects and outsiders, and it also suffers from sexism and bigotry too.

No "philosophy" is a cop out bullshit word to avoid the word "religion" it is a religion. Some people viewing it as philosophy does not negate the fact that ultimately it is still a religion. There are different competing sub sects so you cannot call the entire label a "philosophy". That is just a watered down excuse to avoid the fact Buddhism suffers the same flaws of human interpretation all others suffer from with their competing sub sects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...in_Myanmar

Sexism exists in Buddhism too.

https://vimeo.com/131814486 

Now, don't pull the bullshit all religions pull "not all"... no shit, most don't, but religion itself is not a cure otherwise there would be no violence at all under any religion, but as shown, there is. That is because RELIGION itself is not a magic pill, no label has magic powers to prevent violence by it's members. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in religion, or the bullshit word "philosophy". Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is n our evolution. 

Every nation friend and foe alike have hospitals and prisons. Buddhism one of many religions but has no special powers anymore than any other religion has special powers.

Of course it has many flaws....all man-made institutions do. The point here is that the basic premise taught by the Buddha (the four noble truths) holds to no dogma. The rest, as noted prior, is irrationally clung to extraneousness.

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(May 17, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Is it not buddhist dogma that;

Quote:there are two demonstrable truths, a counteragent regarding the first two and a final method to free oneself from them...

Disappointingly, you seem to think that your dogma is not dogma because it's not the same as their dogma.

Far from being disappointing as the only "dogma" committing me to (or from) Buddhism....is me.

(May 17, 2016 at 1:34 pm)quip Wrote:

(May 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Bullshit......It is as much a religion and a "dogma" as any other. They have social structures, holy heros, holy writings and holy places and holy monks like any other religion. The are not perfectly unifying as an umbrella label either. A Tibet Buddhist isn't going to agree with a Chinese Buddhist or a Japanese Buddhist. The history of Buddhism has had it's own violence between sects and outsiders, and it also suffers from sexism and bigotry too.

No "philosophy" is a cop out bullshit word to avoid the word "religion" it is a religion. Some people viewing it as philosophy does not negate the fact that ultimately it is still a religion. There are different competing sub sects so you cannot call the entire label a "philosophy". That is just a watered down excuse to avoid the fact Buddhism suffers the same flaws of human interpretation all others suffer from with their competing sub sects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutio...in_Myanmar

Sexism exists in Buddhism too.

https://vimeo.com/131814486 

Now, don't pull the bullshit all religions pull "not all"... no shit, most don't, but religion itself is not a cure otherwise there would be no violence at all under any religion, but as shown, there is. That is because RELIGION itself is not a magic pill, no label has magic powers to prevent violence by it's members. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in religion, or the bullshit word "philosophy". Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is n our evolution. 

Every nation friend and foe alike have hospitals and prisons. Buddhism one of many religions but has no special powers anymore than any other religion has special powers.

Of course it has many flaws....all man-made institutions do. The point here is that the basic premise taught by the Buddha (the four noble truths) holds to no dogma. The rest, as noted prior, is irrationally clung to extraneousness.

So the fuck what........ You gave the ghost away with "man made institutions" BINGO

You think those "for noble truths" are special? Bullshit. Do you really need a list of code to figure out it is not nice to steal from people or physically harm them? How much comparative religion studies have you done? You would stupidly argue that no other religion in the world has similar ideas of motifs of kindness and peace? AGAIN even just those 4 noble truths were a cure, then why does Asia and the Orient have it's own history of violence? Not even that list is a cure. AND AGAIN, because, like you said, IT IS MAN  MADE, and again, all religions are man made and all can point to the ideas of wanting peace and charity. 

THAT says to me, and I say this to ALL religions worldwide, that our species morality is in our evolution not our labels.

(May 17, 2016 at 1:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 17, 2016 at 1:34 pm)quip Wrote: Of course it has many flaws....all man-made institutions do. The point here is that the basic premise taught by the Buddha (the four noble truths) holds to no dogma. The rest, as noted prior, is irrationally clung to extraneousness.

So the fuck what........ You gave the ghost away with "man made institutions" BINGO

You think those "for noble truths" are special? Bullshit. Do you really need a list of code to figure out it is not nice to steal from people or physically harm them? How much comparative religion studies have you done? You would stupidly argue that no other religion in the world has similar ideas of motifs of kindness and peace? AGAIN even just those 4 noble truths were a cure, then why does Asia and the Orient have it's own history of violence? Not even that list is a cure. AND AGAIN, because, like you said, IT IS MAN  MADE, and again, all religions are man made and all can point to the ideas of wanting peace and charity. 

THAT says to me, and I say this to ALL religions worldwide, that our species morality is in our evolution not our labels.

What makes you believe (that I believe) that the four noble truths are "special"?

They're nothing of the sort.  ( P.S. Why are you so angry?)

If those 4 noble truths were a requirement to value compassion and preventing harm to others then explain to me how this cat protected a kid without having to read that list of code?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBW5dfRoG7Q