Just pray to Allah to remove our moderation powers. I'm sure he could do that, right?

(May 29, 2016 at 6:12 am)robvalue Wrote: Just pray to Allah to remove our moderation powers. I'm sure he could do that, right?

Excuse the savagery of my Muslim brethren.
You can imagine what I go through daily now; self righteous is all I can say..Yes; I have no right to blow up in his face, but the way the information is presented is just irritating; yes I can't deny that.

And instead of respecting the rules of others, one would ride the self-righteous high horse and keep clashing with the rest of humanity. That's why wars in the middle east never go silent; cannons never cease, Sunna would invade Shia mosques and shia would invade sunna mosques just like this, so irritating and so...savage.

But no problem.

Wake me up if Isa descends upon Damascus. I wanna see the epic fight. Otherwise, stop; this is a waste of time.

Look, it doesn't take a genius to see the Hadith are full of foolishness. This were all of the End Times craziness comes from. But if you're raised with such idiocy all around you then you'd probably think they are great.

(May 29, 2016 at 6:12 am)robvalue Wrote: Just pray to Allah to remove our moderation powers. I'm sure he could do that, right?

Fans of Allah shouldn't feel bad, Christians and Jews have the same luck stopping skeptics as they do.

(May 29, 2016 at 7:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(May 29, 2016 at 6:12 am)robvalue Wrote: Just pray to Allah to remove our moderation powers. I'm sure he could do that, right?

Excuse the savagery of my Muslim brethren.
You can imagine what I go through daily now; self righteous is all I can say..Yes; I have no right to blow up in his face, but the way the information is presented is just irritating; yes I can't deny that.

And instead of respecting the rules of others, one would ride the self-righteous high horse and keep clashing with the rest of humanity. That's why wars in the middle east never go silent; cannons never cease, Sunna would invade Shia mosques and shia would invade sunna mosques just like this, so irritating and so...savage.

But no problem.

Oh for Mecca's sake you are soooooo close. Atlas I'm sorry, I have tones of empathy or the fact you want the East to climb out of it's Islamic dark ages. But a label does not make others who share it your "brethren".

I seriously don't even like that when atheists pull that crap either. If you value non violence and you value western pluralism and modern civility, that empathy isn't coming from the Quran, your empathy for your fellow humans is in your genes. 

Muslim, Jew, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and even atheist, do not automatically determine if a human will only do good. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate are in our evolution, not our labels.

Even on a family blood genetic level outside the issue of religion, I don't blindly support my own family members on every issue all the time. I love my adoptive mom, but even she knows what I think of the claim that a magic cracker if she eats it will save her from hell. And while I love my biological family who originally gave me up for adoption, I have cut off my older brother, not because I hate him, but because he was abusive to me and threatened me one too many times. I don't wish him ill but I cannot have that baggage in my life, I have enough of my own problems to deal with.

Seriously Atlas, I cant see the logic of clinging to such an old book, especially when you live under threat of others who read that same book to come to very different conclusions. To me, it would be like having more than one kid and allowing them to fight over a bicycle assembly manual to the point of death? Hardly efficient if your goal as an all powerful being is to get everyone on the same page. 

Now Atlas, you've been here long enough to know at least with me, I make the same arguments I do here with Christians and Jews. It is a sick idea to me, to claim this god is all powerful and wants everyone on the same page but needs mere humans to fight his battles for him. Seems to me a malicious thing to do, selfish and at best neglectful, but the better argument is that he never existed and humans are all we have.

(May 28, 2016 at 9:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Every religion even those of Asia and the Orient and India, have their stupid concepts of what happens at the end of life and what happens to humans ultimately.

These are all myths. The end of our species will happen at some point. But the worst way we could get to that point is to needlessly chase that utopia because of the myths of antiquity.

We can certainly kill ourselves off needlessly from a nuclear war and or pollution, but that wont be because of some old traditions, but our human ignorance that those old traditions have nothing to do with modern problem solving.

But even if we get smart now and stop being so stupidly tribal, we still have things like meteors and comets to worry about hitting our planet and that is not a matter of if, but when. And even before our sun runs out of energy and collapses or expands and fries our planet, odds are we will be long since extinct before that.

The best that humans can do right now is seek to extend our finite ride.

Maybe you should start asking why, why are we destined to an end?

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(May 28, 2016 at 9:17 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: -edited because it might piss the mods off-

Freedom of speech, huh?

(May 29, 2016 at 11:02 am)Christo Wrote: Maybe you should start asking why, why are we destined to an end?

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Wait, wait, don't tell me, let me guess. god? Unicorns? Some other fantasy delusion?

(May 28, 2016 at 10:03 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Christo

I'm sorry. Apologies, I'm sorry. I know about Mr.Kayalli; I'm sorry. I jumped quickly to that conclusion, may God forgive me. Just know, that I saw a lot from Sunnies and Shia, I thought you're here to spread that propaganda that burned my region. 

About Kayalee, I disagree with some of his stuff, also his exessive end-times stuff, I hold my view: nobody know anything about it. But can't claim he knows nothing about the Quran; I think talking with him would be interesting though.

Accept my apologies, Christo. Please, pardon me. I'll go chew on my pillow now, hoping that God forgives me

Quote:Also it looks like you replied to every single part of my reply, except the last one, where I tell you that you were wrong, the video does not talk about Sunni or Shia beliefs, actually its maker, who is a physicist and an engineer, does not believe in them, which is one of the reasons he made that video.

The verses I quoted in my last reply to you: it states directly that only God would show the hour; neither Mr.Kayalee, nor Mohammed -peace be upon him-, not you, not me, know anything about when it would come; Christo.

It will take us like surprise; just like death. Kayalee should focus more on the verses that orders Arab dictators to quit killing Muslims, and tell humans to stop violence against each other, verses that kill the extremist concepts of terrorist Wahhabies, verses that orders us to feed the poor (maybe that would help Africa?)..stuff like that.

End of times debate is useless..

It's OK, hope you learned a lesson.
But once again that's only the when we are talking about, God did not tell us when it will happen, but he told us other things about it in the Quran, such as some details of how it begins.

(May 28, 2016 at 2:26 pm)Christo Wrote: Too bad I am not really a fan of 'rules', know why? because they can be used as an excuse to completely ignore the content of the post, and criticize the poster.
AKA : what you just did now! The only rule is stated by the name of the forum itself, islam, meaning we discuss topics about islam, no matter how they are posted, articles, images, videos...doesn't matter, what the matters is the content, the idea, the point, (that you completely missed).

You don't have to be a fan of the rules. You do, however, have to follow them if you wish to remain here. We aren't actually obliged to host you here, after all; there are the rules, and there is the door. Pick one.