(June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 10:50 pm)dyresand Wrote:  

  I wouldn't call myself a coward, but rather smart.

 
aah Occam's razor .... hedging your bets, but with thousands of gods and almost certainly none your odds are not great

(June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 10:50 pm)dyresand Wrote: So what you are saying is.. you worship a abusive tyrant because you are afraid of hell and would rather be in heaven with said abuser because you are
afraid of him/her/it in so many many words...... And yes god did favor certain groups over another.... he went from one group then to another and said
kill those guys and finally ended up with the jewish people.

Then also why would i want my sins forgiven anyways...? Is it not right to stand up and take the punishment instead of
being a coward and dumping onto someone instead of facing said punishment.

I worship God because he is my creator and loves me.  Also, it didn't end with Jews.  They were close to wiped out in 70 AB and have been persecuted ever since.  Salvation is for any person, regardless of race or nationality.  You go ahead and face punishment.  I wouldn't call myself a coward, but rather smart.

If that said god existed... i don't believe that god loves me at all.. neither the starving children, people dying of curable diseases, or anyone
who suffering. I honestly do not want to be loved by said being and i would accept my punishment rather than being a coward wanting salvation. 
If you did something wrong you face up like a man or like any responsible person and face judgement. And if said god existed i would accept the punishment
my words to him would be you disgust me creating human beings and letting them suffer and die. Eventually human beings will no longer need you as they
will fix the problem of suffering and will no longer praise you i hope that  time comes soon.

(June 3, 2016 at 11:10 pm)dyresand Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm)Lek Wrote: I worship God because he is my creator and loves me.  Also, it didn't end with Jews.  They were close to wiped out in 70 AB and have been persecuted ever since.  Salvation is for any person, regardless of race or nationality.  You go ahead and face punishment.  I wouldn't call myself a coward, but rather smart.

If that said god existed... i don't believe that god loves me at all.. neither the starving children, people dying of curable diseases, or anyone
who suffering. I honestly do not want to be loved by said being and i would accept my punishment rather than being a coward wanting salvation. 
If you did something wrong you face up like a man or like any responsible person and face judgement. And if said god existed i would accept the punishment
my words to him would be you disgust me creating human beings and letting them suffer and die. Eventually human beings will no longer need you as they
will fix the problem of suffering and will no longer praise you i hope that  time comes soon.

Yeah right. If someone sat down and began pulling your fingernails out one at a time, I bet you would immediately repent for anything. You've been watching too many action hero movies. If you want to be a hero, join the army and go over to the middle east and fight the bad guys, instead of sitting around playing video games.

Quote:Not true at all. If I kill someone it's because I decided to do it, not God. You're supposition is wrong. It is true, though, that God allows it to happen and doesn't stop it.

Well then fuck him.

(June 3, 2016 at 11:51 am)Lek Wrote:

(June 2, 2016 at 9:37 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: He decides who gets raped, he decides who gets murdered, he decides who dies from a horrible disease.

As true Christians, it is about time you started thanking God for it all.

Everything is done in His name.

Not true at all. If I kill someone it's because I decided to do it, not God. You're supposition is wrong. It is true, though, that God allows it to happen and doesn't stop it.

(emphasis is mine)

Then my morality is greater then your gawd's!

(June 3, 2016 at 11:04 pm)Lek Wrote: I worship God because he is my creator and loves me.  Also, it didn't end with Jews.  They were close to wiped out in 70 AB and have been persecuted ever since.  Salvation is for any person, regardless of race or nationality.  You go ahead and face punishment.  I wouldn't call myself a coward, but rather smart.

So basically battered spouse syndrome?

Love from fear is not love at all.  Surely an all-knowing Deity would realize this.

(June 3, 2016 at 10:47 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 10:40 pm)dyresand Wrote: And that is relevant because????  And the bible and the OT already have justifications for killing your own child so what are you getting at?
So god tells jews to go and kill people instead of i don't know going to said people and converting them over there is hardly any logic to that.
If i were playing god or was a god i would get my point across like hey assholes i'm god don't fight each other. Yet he favors 1 group of desert
dwellers to roam around in the desert killing and slaughtering and raping people yeah... that's some really grade a morals.....

Actually, he didn't favor the Jews over anybody. He also wreaked havoc on them as well a number of times. Anybody who sincerely seeks out God will find him.

You've touted this bullshit out a lot Lek, despite the fact (and this is not the first time I've mentioned it) that there are people like me who sincerely sought your gawd and got nothing but crickets in reply.

(June 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Lek Wrote:

(June 3, 2016 at 11:10 pm)dyresand Wrote: If that said god existed... i don't believe that god loves me at all.. neither the starving children, people dying of curable diseases, or anyone
who suffering. I honestly do not want to be loved by said being and i would accept my punishment rather than being a coward wanting salvation. 
If you did something wrong you face up like a man or like any responsible person and face judgement. And if said god existed i would accept the punishment
my words to him would be you disgust me creating human beings and letting them suffer and die. Eventually human beings will no longer need you as they
will fix the problem of suffering and will no longer praise you i hope that  time comes soon.

Yeah right.  If someone sat down and began pulling your fingernails out one at a time, I bet you would immediately repent for anything.  You've been watching too many action hero movies.  If you want to be a hero, join the army and go over to the middle east and fight the bad guys, instead of sitting around playing video games.

I'd accept the punishment either way i would not repent my sins on anyone i wouldn't accept the fact some guy died for said sins that is a cowards way out of things.

(June 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah right.  If someone sat down and began pulling your fingernails out one at a time, I bet you would immediately repent for anything.

Absolutely right. That is what god is counting on.

"Love me and worship me or spend the rest of eternity in excruciating misery!"

(June 4, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Lek Wrote: Yeah right.  If someone sat down and began pulling your fingernails out one at a time, I bet you would immediately repent for anything.

And hell is supposed to be much, much worse than that, correct?

Amazing what a 'loving' creator will do if he doesn't get his way.  We denounce torture, and rightfully so, in all other contexts, yet in religion it's presented smugly as "you did it to yourself."  Which is utter bullshit.