(June 11, 2016 at 1:41 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: Less cognitive dissonance that way right? I would be less cynical about your reason to remain unconvinced if you could actually provide counter evidence, Kit.

I have provided the evidence before.

First and foremost, the main reason I support circumcision is that it no longer has the religious connotation that most atheist on this site most associate with the procedure. They might like to deny it, but it still holds sway in their minds due to the bible and that entire Jewish ceremony thing that still makes the news. Religion, it corrupts their rationality as much as they wish it did not. After all, the majority of the parents today who support circumcision never cite a religious reason for having it done for their child.

There is an actual, ACTUAL health benefit to being circumcised. It allows for a cleanliness that may not come naturally to some boys, because what kind of mother or father is going to always be there in the shower with the son?

If we're going to continue to be so political about what a child can decide, how about parents stop deciding the name of the child?

It's valid, as far as I am concerned.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Novel-as-polemic makes for dreary reading. Aim higher.

I try. Yet I don't see you attempting to write a novel. Unless you actually are...

Oh please, Kit. Tell me how I feel

(June 11, 2016 at 1:51 am)Losty Wrote: Oh please, Kit. Tell me how I feel

I wouldn't.

Also, like I said before not needing to wash is not a real health benefit and boys should be washing regardless. If their parents don't teach them the importance of bathing, that is neglect.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:52 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 1:51 am)Losty Wrote: Oh please, Kit. Tell me how I feel

I wouldn't.

"They might like to deny it, but it still holds sway in their minds"

It holds no sway in my mind. Most people who do it do not do it for religious reasons. I never even knew it was a religious thing until I researched it during my second pregnancy.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:54 am)Losty Wrote: "They might like to deny it, but it still holds sway in their minds"

It holds no sway in my mind. Most people who do it do not do it for religious reasons. I never even knew it was a religious thing until I researched it during my second pregnancy.

And your name magically appeared in there somewhere?

Therefore, I was not informing you of what to think.

If I am going to directly refer to you, then I shall quote you.

Please, be less dense in the future.

So does this mean I should have my teeth removed and replace them with dentures so I don't have to bother to brush them properly?

Logic is easy when you have the cognitive dissonance of not wanting to change your mind propelling your confirmation bias, eh?

(June 11, 2016 at 1:48 am)Maelstrom Wrote: There is an actual, ACTUAL health benefit to being circumcised. It allows for a cleanliness that may not come naturally to some boys, because what kind of mother or father is going to always be there in the shower with the son?

And again, as has been pointed out, that's not a health benefit. Parents should teach their children how to clean themselves properly. There is nothing wrong with a father showing his son how to clean himself. It wouldn't be awkward if you taught your child how to clean themselves as a step in graduating into bathing without supervision.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:48 am)Maelstrom Wrote: If we're going to continue to be so political about what a child can decide, how about parents stop deciding the name of the child?

It's valid, as far as I am concerned.

I know you'll never admit when you're being ridiculous, but if you are equating the surgical removal of functional tissue from the genitals of an infant to selecting a name that can be changed later, you're being ridiculous.

(June 11, 2016 at 1:56 am)Maelstrom Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 1:54 am)Losty Wrote: "They might like to deny it, but it still holds sway in their minds"

It holds no sway in my mind. Most people who do it do not do it for religious reasons. I never even knew it was a religious thing until I researched it during my second pregnancy.

And your name magically appeared in there somewhere?  

Therefore, I was not informing you of what to think.

If I am going to directly refer to you, then I shall quote you.

Please, be less dense in the future.

Oh I'm sorry, inform hammy of what everyone who disagrees with you (which includes me) thinks.

You're bitchy when you're hungry kit, have an ice cream or a snickers or something.