(June 11, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Gemini Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 7:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: ...we inherit a sin nature--a state that requires some kind of repair if we are to get back to the original state.

...Is it possible that someone never commits a sin? ...the Bible teaches that it is not possible, and I don't think there is any evidence that is the case.

In so many words, you just agreed with what everyone has been telling you. With what the title of this thread says.

No, I responded to a post that we are punished for someone else's sin. That is not the case (which I explained in some many words). 

You can blame Adam for the consequences of his sin but what does that really mean? He did not pass on the capacity to sin (we all have free will). Since we all have the capacity to sin, if Adam did not sin when he did, how long before someone did?  You would have to prove that it is possible for even one person to make all morally perfect choices their whole life to complain about Adam.

(June 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: No, I responded to a post that we are punished for someone else's sin. That is not the case (which I explained in some many words). 

You can blame Adam for the consequences of his sin but what does that really mean? He did not pass on the capacity to sin (we all have free will). Since we all have the capacity to sin, if Adam did not sin when he did, how long before someone did?  You would have to prove that it is possible for even one person to make all morally perfect choices their whole life to complain about Adam.

So your position is we inherit a sin nature, which isn't our fault. But we sin because we have free will, and not because we have a sin nature?

(June 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Gemini Wrote: In so many words, you just agreed with what everyone has been telling you. With what the title of this thread says.

No, I responded to a post that we are punished for someone else's sin. That is not the case (which I explained in some many words). 

You can blame Adam for the consequences of his sin but what does that really mean? He did not pass on the capacity to sin (we all have free will). Since we all have the capacity to sin, if Adam did not sin when he did, how long before someone did?  You would have to prove that it is possible for even one person to make all morally perfect choices their whole life to complain about Adam.

Heresy!

(June 9, 2016 at 3:55 pm)mlmooney89 Wrote: Now that I got some help from two wonderful people on here I can post the picture of a 'friend' on Facebook and her 'heartfelt' confession on my newsfeed. I honestly couldn't believe what I was reading. What these people were describing was horrible and yet they were happy about it. I don't understand how people can be happy knowing that some god calls them awful and unworthy of him just for being born.

They sit there and have a conversation about how we can literally do nothing to be worthy. It was just because god was so good that he 'allowed' us the gift of salvation. We have to say sorry for having done nothing wrong. I don't get how that is a loving god. It sounds like a small petty man with a... god complex. lol If I could ever believe in god I don't think I would find him very loving nor caring. I find this whole conversation full of very weak people. They must think so little of themselves that they have to ask a god to make them better people. They think that nothing they do is, or ever will be, good enough. That alone they are nothing. That must be such a sad train of thought, it is no wonder they look to something bigger for help.

In the current state of the universe only proves there is no god because nature working as intended. 
Even a hateful being such as god of the bible would do a better job designing the universe to be more safer for life.
That being said... they are weak minded the world is so much better now than it was 50 to 60 years ago.

(June 11, 2016 at 8:16 pm)Gemini Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 8:11 pm)SteveII Wrote: No, I responded to a post that we are punished for someone else's sin. That is not the case (which I explained in some many words). 

You can blame Adam for the consequences of his sin but what does that really mean? He did not pass on the capacity to sin (we all have free will). Since we all have the capacity to sin, if Adam did not sin when he did, how long before someone did?  You would have to prove that it is possible for even one person to make all morally perfect choices their whole life to complain about Adam.

So your position is we inherit a sin nature, which isn't our fault. But we sin because we have free will, and not because we have a sin nature?

I think the fallen state makes sinning highly probable. However, at the same time, I think that free will guarantees it (with or without sin nature).

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(June 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 8:16 pm)Gemini Wrote: So your position is we inherit a sin nature, which isn't our fault. But we sin because we have free will, and not because we have a sin nature?

I think the fallen state makes sinning highly probable. However, at the same time, I think that free will guarantees it (with or without sin nature).

But overall were more moral these days were not killing each other for various reasons for the most part. 
And in general the world is a much better place now than 50 to 60 years ago.

I wanted to apologize to Losty. My dig earlier was uncalled for. Sorry.

You can't apologize after I made "bitch you don't know me" gif D:

Lol it's all good.

(June 11, 2016 at 7:38 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(June 11, 2016 at 7:07 pm)robvalue Wrote: Even if that were the case, it's still not all Christians.

It is an interpretation, one you happen to agree with. But you don't get to speak for all Christians.

Wouldn't want to. Just trying to correct when I see gross simplifications or misunderstandings of concepts that aren't fully understood.

I don't even know how to continue. My whole point was asking you not to generalise Christians. Yet you seem to be suggesting that I should only refer to the sets of dogmas you consider to be what Christianity is about, and that any others don't count.

So your point is that some sects of Christianity don't teach what I said. That's not surprising, and isn't a rebuttal. I wasn't trying to generalise. I've already stated every Christian can believe whatever they want.