(June 19, 2016 at 4:16 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Reagan was ahead in the polls before election day.  Helped in large degree by John Anderson.

We both know the real reason Reagan won don't we? Wink wink.

(June 20, 2016 at 5:38 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(June 20, 2016 at 5:14 am)Alex K Wrote: Yes, she's not going to drop a nuke on anyone because someone insulted her hair. With Trump, I'm not so sure.

Exactly. For all her flaws, she doesn't act on spite quite like Trump does.

Well, the thing about Hilary is there is so much that rubs voters the wrong way, and I'd consider them deal-breakers against her if not for the fact that she's running against someone else who takes many of those same qualities and makes them much worse.

Hilary has Dodgy racial politics? Donald Trump proposes policies like the Border Wall or his proposal to keep Muslims/Arabs from emigrating which are ultimately racist, and seems to court the racist vote more openly than any major presidential candidate since George Wallace.
Hilary's in Wall Street's pocket? Donald Trump embodies the worst aspects of Wall Street.
Hilary flip-flops on a lot of issues? Donald Trump waffles on many of his more outrageous policies depending on whatever way he thinks the political bellwhether is swinging. Sometimes he claims Muslims should be put on a register like sex offenders; stopped from entering the country (either temporarily or forever); or deported altogether, including natural-born citizens.
Hilary's accepted millions from the Saudis? So has Trump!
Hilary did some possibly criminal stuff over the web? Check out this website with several lawsuits Trump has been involved in.

Raskolnikov, meet Svidrigailov.

(June 20, 2016 at 2:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(June 20, 2016 at 10:58 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: To touch on the guest post in this topic. I don't like Donald, but do people expect Trump supporters to be defeatist and say Trump isn't going to win? What like they shouldn't even bother trying against your Goddess Hilary? don't like Trump but to say Hilary is going be president is insane. We know she broke the law; the State Department report said so. A criminal should not be president. The FBI will hold its primary soon

No, it won't issue any possible indictment until after the election.

By the way, just because someone hates Trump doesn't mean they worship Hilary. Binary thinking is for the simple-minded. You should be better than that.

The FBI does not issue indictments.  The FBI makes a report to the Department of Justice.

(June 20, 2016 at 7:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(June 20, 2016 at 5:38 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Exactly. For all her flaws, she doesn't act on spite quite like Trump does.

Well, the thing about Hilary is there is so much that rubs voters the wrong way, and I'd consider them deal-breakers against her if not for the fact that she's running against someone else who takes many of those same qualities and makes them much worse.

Hilary has Dodgy racial politics? Donald Trump proposes policies like the Border Wall or his proposal to keep Muslims/Arabs from emigrating which are ultimately racist, and seems to court the racist vote more openly than any major presidential candidate since George Wallace.
Hilary's in Wall Street's pocket? Donald Trump embodies the worst aspects of Wall Street.
Hilary flip-flops on a lot of issues? Donald Trump waffles on many of his more outrageous policies depending on whatever way he thinks the political bellwhether is swinging. Sometimes he claims Muslims should be put on a register like sex offenders; stopped from entering the country (either temporarily or forever); or deported altogether, including natural-born citizens.
Hilary's accepted millions from the Saudis? So has Trump!
Hilary did some possibly criminal stuff over the web? Check out this website with several lawsuits Trump has been involved in.

Raskolnikov, meet Svidrigailov.

Oh, I don't like Clinton at all. I'm well aware of her many negatives.

Quote:Hilary's accepted millions from the Saudis?

The best that fucktards like Reince Priebus and Carly Fiorina could do was cite the Clinton Foundation.  What does the foundation do?

Quote:

• Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
  
• Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
  
• Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
  
• Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.
  

If the Clintons have gotten the fucking Saudis to contribute to that instead of building mosques and supporting terrorists then good for them  What the fuck has Drumpf ever done?

I completely understand that most of you want Hillary to win over Trump but I can't understand how you can defend that corrupt fuck.

Because having scumbags like Priebus, Fiorina and Drumpf make wild accusations is not proof.


Or didn't you know that?

(June 20, 2016 at 9:00 pm)KUSA Wrote: I completely understand that most of you want Hillary to win over Trump but I can't understand how you can defend that corrupt fuck.

Clinton? It's simple. American society has reached the point where we have chosen two major candidates who are equally corrupt (and in much the same ways), and sane voters have three basic choices:

• Vote for corrupt politician A, who has, for lack of a better way of putting it, created the most successful fascist movement in America since Fritz Kuhn spoke at Madison Square Garden in 1939.
  
• Vote for Corrupt politician B, who has, in a quarter century of time in national politics, proven herself thoroughly unlikable, but at least isn't actively, openly, trying to make the world a much more dangerous and horrifying place.
  
• Stay at home/vote for a third party, which both risk Corrupt Politician A coming into power, made even more likely because Corrupt Politician B has had a massive hatedom in political circles for over two decades.
  

In any case, it's clear which option is best. That said, people have been making blatantly false accusations about her for decades, and people should at least defend her from the blatantly false ones so people can at least think about the ones that do have merit.

It is actually terrifying to contemplate  had not the 'pubs scoured the entire nation for that one candidate with higher negatives than Hillary, we'd be looking at a 'mirror universe' Supreme Court in less than 8 years.

My disgust with the 'system' is palpable.




And the 'door' to that timeline isn't actually nailed shut yet, wouldn't take much in the way of a clusterfuck to make it happen regardless of the Donald's unsuitability.

(June 20, 2016 at 9:00 pm)KUSA Wrote: I completely understand that most of you want Hillary to win over Trump but I can't understand how you can defend that corrupt fuck.

We're not defending him, we're excoriating him!!!

Oh... you mean... ohhh