(June 24, 2016 at 9:04 am)alpha male Wrote: So...what's the big deal? Is it just that Walking Dead fans can only picture it in those terms?

If god can raise people from the dead, he can give them a proper appearance and clothes if he likes.

Don't claim that you doubt it because it isn't mentioned in the other gospels, as neither would you believe it if it were mentioned in all of them.

So...what's the problem?

Well the biggest problem is the part I bolded.  That is one enormous if, almost as big as the one in if He can create everything from nothing.  Imputting divine intention into every happenstance is so out there that if you have to ask "what's the big deal" it is a pretty sure bet you can't or won't see the answer.

(June 24, 2016 at 9:57 am)alpha male Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 9:29 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Worms ?

If God can raise people from the dead, he can remove worms.

Now your only problem remains, as always, to prove that this god of yours is not a figment of your imagination.  Good luck with that.


BTW - you'd have to be a True Asshole to think that the dead got up and wandered around.  I think I know the answer to that but I'm curious to see if you admit it.

(June 24, 2016 at 10:39 am)Whateverist the White Wrote:

(June 24, 2016 at 9:04 am)alpha male Wrote: So...what's the big deal? Is it just that Walking Dead fans can only picture it in those terms?

If god can raise people from the dead, he can give them a proper appearance and clothes if he likes.

Don't claim that you doubt it because it isn't mentioned in the other gospels, as neither would you believe it if it were mentioned in all of them.

So...what's the problem?

Well the biggest problem is the part I bolded.  That is one enormous if, almost as big as the one in if He can create everything from nothing.  Imputting divine intention into every happenstance is so out there that if you have to ask "what's the big deal" it is a pretty sure bet you can't or won't see the answer.

Do you seriously think that's all there is to it? That people try to divert to that particular passage merely because they don't believe in a god that can raise people from the dead? There are numerous raisings in the Bible. That isn't the first, or the last. Why is that the one they go to? 

(June 24, 2016 at 10:48 am)Minimalist Wrote: BTW - you'd have to be a True Asshole to think that the dead got up and wandered around.  I think I know the answer to that but I'm curious to see if you admit it.

Ad hominem much?

That's up to you.  If you think zombies got up and walked around Jerusalem then you are a True Asshole.  Your choice, pal.

I have no patience for stupidity.  And no need to make you feel good about being an idiot.

alpha male Wrote:Deserves its own thread, as people keep using it as a red herring to divert attention from other topics. 

Matt 27
51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

So...what's the big deal? Is it just that Walking Dead fans can only picture it in those terms?

If god can raise people from the dead, he can give them a proper appearance and clothes if he likes.

Don't claim that you doubt it because it isn't mentioned in the other gospels, as neither would you believe it if it were mentioned in all of them.

So...what's the problem?

Um, seems like the sort of thing non-Christians in Jerusalem would have thought to make a note of in their histories.

alpha male Wrote:

Whateverist the White Wrote:Well the biggest problem is the part I bolded.  That is one enormous if, almost as big as the one in if He can create everything from nothing.  Imputting divine intention into every happenstance is so out there that if you have to ask "what's the big deal" it is a pretty sure bet you can't or won't see the answer.

Do you seriously think that's all there is to it? That people try to divert to that particular passage merely because they don't believe in a god that can raise people from the dead? There are numerous raisings in the Bible. That isn't the first, or the last. Why is that the one they go to? 

Because you'd think something like that would have made enough of an impression that someone besides that Gospel writer, a known historian (which Jerusalem at that time was not lacking) for instance. Why would you be surprised that we would go to a mass uprising of the dead rather than one particular instance? The bigger the event, the more problematic lack of corroboration is.

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you?

Minimalist Wrote:That's up to you.  If you think zombies got up and walked around Jerusalem then you are a True Asshole.  Your choice, pal.

I have no patience for stupidity.  And no need to make you feel good about being an idiot.

I think what Alpha Male's point was, is that they wouldn't have been zombies, they would have been completely alive, just like they were before they died. He's objecting to the habit many of us have of mocking resurrection stories by calling the people brought back to life, 'zombies'. The word 'zombie' implies they're reanimated corpses, not living people, which is unlikely to be what the Biblical authors had in mind. He's basically objecting to the mockery.

Please correct me if I'm misrepresenting you, AM.

(June 24, 2016 at 12:45 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Um, seems like the sort of thing non-Christians in Jerusalem would have thought to make a note of in their histories.

Hardly. Think it through. If someone who you knew was dead appeared to you and said you were alive by the power of Jesus...you'd become a follower of Jesus. If you didn't experience it first-hand, but just heard rumors, you wouldn't find it noteworthy.