(June 28, 2016 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:37 pm)Chad32 Wrote: As dangerous as islamic extremism is, christian extremism is more of a threat to the country. The republicans seem to have a handle on talking about radical islam. The rest of us can remind the country that christians can be just as bad, and tend to have more power and priviledge in this country than muslims do.

Define threat....

To me Just short of a nuclear bomb going off or a military invasion Terrorism is the top of the list...

So then if you will reason with me for a moment, out of the last 10 terror attacks this country has endured at home or against the United States over seas (US people/holdings) how many were Muslim based or founded attacks verse how many were Christian based???

Again if Terrorism is to be considered a "Threat to this country" What greater threat/In what way has Christianity threaten the lives and economy of this country as Islam has?

Does Christian power and social position kill all non believing people? Does Christian power and social position seek out to destroy our economy? Please take the time to explain what you mean Don't talk in John stewart/Bill marr-ish sound bites, I am asking for an earnest explanation of this massive christian threat...

Then explain how a Muslim leader telling his congregations since 2013 "That death is the penality for Homosexuality; That we should just get one with it and kill them so they can be forgiven, The we should not be ashamed of what the koran says..." in light of the time frame and proximity to the Orlando pulse night club. Is somehow less dangerous that whatever perceived threat you envision involving Christianity...

Terrorism is a big threat. And most terrorist attacks are done by christian groups. That doesn't include christians trying their hardest to turn this country into christian sharia. I'm more worried about people like Pastor Anderson, because it's more likely that more Americans will listen to him. Because he's preaching from the local holy book, instead of the middle eastern one.

Someone like you should probably not be posting a thread like this anyway. You have more in common with that kind of person than we do. Hell you're against the idea of empathy. If anything, one might accuse you of trolling, because we know you don't care about the plight of homosexuals.

This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

(June 28, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Irrational Wrote: When some Christians commend the act, that's not Christianity. That's just those weird Christians. But Muslims? Nah, let's make this a problem the whole population of Muslims should be responsible for, including those who differ considerably in their Islamic beliefs/attitudes from those who commit extreme violence and terrorism.

Yes we can as Christians do that because Christianity is splintered into over 30K different sects... However Islam is subdivided into 4. The supper aggressive death to infidels are know as the Sunni. The Sunni represent 90% of all Islam. So when the Imam in this video says death to Gays, and the shooter shoots and wounds/kills almost 100 people for being gay, The shooter is simply following his only prescribed path to redemption for his own alleged sin of being gay or having those feeling himself..

That's the thing when a religion is united like Islam there are no fringes there is no "well that's not islam" as all fall under the same umbrella. Jihadist and 'moderates' are both recognized as legitimate members of Sunni Islam. Matter of fact Jihadists are look at as being superior spiritually than to a moderate.

You are wrongly combining your understanding of how Christianity works to a religion that does not follow the same set of rules. As it's infrastructure and control are completely different than what you grew up with.

I don't give a fuck who has more divisions, religion sucks as a way of viewing others as fellow humans because of such divisions, your religion and theirs. If you want to claim, or they want to claim that a god exists, seems pretty nasty of such a being to allow such violent divisions. But no, sorry the violent and the bigoted are still getting their morality from the same book you are if they call themselves "Christian". You not liking their interpretation does not make it a different source. 

At least you don't throw gays off rooftops? You go look at those holy people in those videos, and you tell me what those Christians would do to gays, or even atheists if we had no secular law protecting us from those nutfucks? 

The west became more civil in spite of religion, not because of it.

(June 28, 2016 at 2:41 pm)abaris Wrote: Quit shedding your crocodile tears. I'm really not in the mood, so I don't look up all the pastors having called for homosexual death in the last few years. But there have been quite a few.

So, kindly shove your baitings where the sun doesn't shine. You're all birds of a feather. And by you, I don't mean christianity, but you personally and whoever else subscribes to your despicable branch of it.

But again moron the pastor of what??? And did anyone get up and doing anything like this???

Again Having this guy say what he said to a church 3 weeks prior, less than 20 miles from where what he called for happened is ground shattering in of itself!

Imagine if a Cardinal of the catholic church literally fresh from rome said this 20 miles and 3 weeks prior to the largest execution of American citizens since 9-11...

This is my point. the power position and authority this man had in his religion is not like having some right wing nut bag pastor say something to a congregation of 30 people. This man represents Sunni Islam He is in a position of power and authority in his system of belief, and what more he is accurately representing His system of belief.
Yet this story get burried... Again why?

How is this not propaganda?

(June 28, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

Islam is not a race, but that doesn't mean some people don't hate Muslims out of racism.

(June 28, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:33 pm)Drich Wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vev-OzHQy94

I posted this video in my Pulse thread but it seems no one wanted to talk about it over there...

This was originally reported by channel 9 which is an orlando ABC affiliate.

So maybe I'll have better luck here.

My question... Why Is this not been on the evening news? Why is no one discussing the Muslim "answer to the homosexual problem?"

Why are baptist ministers and fringe christians being quoted for commending this act when the shooter's own religious belief system supports what he did, and is being literally called to be done by one of his religious leaders just 3 weeks before this happened?

If you don't want or can't answer those questions... Answer this.. How does this video make you feel?
Do you think the government or media is withholding this story to shape how the public views Islam.. Why?

And this Christian Pastor called for the death of gays. He also introduced Ted Cruz at a rally event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDbGyv6SIQ

And did any christians heed his call like the muslims did?

Or do you not understand that is the point I am making?

This Imam has the power and authority to ensite action while nut bag christian pastors do not. That an average home grown muslim was activated into action like a sleeper agent/Manchurian Candidate with the application of the right words...

So then how more unstable are those who want to come here unchecked/unvetted?

(June 28, 2016 at 3:01 pm)Drich Wrote: Yes we can as Christians do that because Christianity is splintered into over 30K different sects... However Islam is subdivided into 4. The supper aggressive death to infidels are know as the Sunni. The Sunni represent 90% of all Islam. So when the Imam in this video says death to Gays, and the shooter shoots and wounds/kills almost 100 people for being gay, The shooter is simply following his only prescribed path to redemption for his own alleged sin of being gay or having those feeling himself..

That's the thing when a religion is united like Islam there are no fringes there is no "well that's not islam" as all fall under the same umbrella. Jihadist and 'moderates' are both recognized as legitimate members of Sunni Islam. Matter of fact Jihadists are look at as being superior spiritually than to a moderate.

You are wrongly combining your understanding of how Christianity works to a religion that does not follow the same set of rules. As it's infrastructure and control are completely different than what you grew up with.

"We as Christians" is a problematic phrase - when you call yourself a 'Christian' you are not sufficiently defining your position. 'Christian' includes EVERYONE who defines themselves as such, including the Westborough Baptist Church - as vile as they are, their Biblical justification is sound and they have just as much right to call themselves Christian as you do. That's the elephant in the room with their protests - if you want to be considered separate from all the parts of Christianity you dislike then it's on you to use a less broad brush. 

The truth is that the God of the Bible explicitly states that homosexual acts are an abomination and punishable by death, and Jesus explicitly states that all of the Old Testament law still stands, so for you to call yourself a Christian but presumably disagree with the word of the Christian God undermines your position and puts the homophobes on stronger ground.

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(June 28, 2016 at 3:10 pm)Irrational Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

Islam is not a race, but that doesn't mean some people don't hate Muslims out of racism.

True - which is exactly why we should call it 'Racism' instead of 'Islamophobia'

(June 28, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: This is the symptom of the 'regressive liberal' concept of Islamophobia - the ingenious conflation of Racism and Religious Criticism. If anyone tries to criticize Islam they are automatically branded a racist xenophobic bigot, and shouted down without anyone having to actually confront their legitimate critique of this overtly homophobic religion. Islamophobia is a racist term! It affirms the notion that Islam is basically about Arabian and Pakistani people - they make it about race. Islam is NOT a race, it's a religion followed by people of all 'racial' types.

Donald Trump is winning because of this - the "You're just a racist!" Islamophobia knee-jerk reaction to any criticism of Islam means that anyone who is genuinely concerned about it feels like nobody cares, and like they are being condescended to, and the only people who talk about their concerns and take them seriously are far-right extremists and genuine bigots like Donald Trump.

I am a liberal and I do criticize religion. I blaspheme any and all religions. But if you are a bigot you are, period. There is a huge difference between criticism, blasphemy and ridicule and the hateful scapegoating demagoguery that assholes like Trump sell. Claims do not have rights, no, but humans do have rights. 

And he is not winning, where the are you getting that from? This isn't the primaries now, and he even has a huge percentage of GOP voters that now regret having him as their nominee.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-...98231.html

On top of these two sites with averaged out polls that have Hillary ahead by 6 to 7 points.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/...-5491.html

And

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/poll...vs-clinton

(June 28, 2016 at 3:02 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:53 pm)Drich Wrote: Define threat....

To me Just short of a nuclear bomb going off or a military invasion Terrorism is the top of the list...

So then if you will reason with me for a moment, out of the last 10 terror attacks this country has endured at home or against the United States over seas (US people/holdings) how many were Muslim based or founded attacks verse how many were Christian based???

Again if Terrorism is to be considered a "Threat to this country" What greater threat/In what way has Christianity threaten the lives and economy of this country as Islam has?

Does Christian power and social position kill all non believing people? Does Christian power and social position seek out to destroy our economy? Please take the time to explain what you mean Don't talk in John stewart/Bill marr-ish sound bites, I am asking for an earnest explanation of this massive christian threat...

Then explain how a Muslim leader telling his congregations since 2013 "That death is the penality for Homosexuality; That we should just get one with it and kill them so they can be forgiven, The we should not be ashamed of what the koran says..." in light of the time frame and proximity to the Orlando pulse night club. Is somehow less dangerous that whatever perceived threat you envision involving Christianity...

Terrorism is a big threat. And most terrorist attacks are done by christian groups. That doesn't include christians trying their hardest to turn this country into christian sharia. I'm more worried about people like Pastor Anderson, because it's more likely that more Americans will listen to him. Because he's preaching from the local holy book, instead of the middle eastern one.

Someone like you should probably not be posting a thread like this anyway. You have more in common with that kind of person than we do. Hell you're against the idea of empathy. If anything, one might accuse you of trolling, because we know you don't care about the plight of homosexuals.

So let me get this straight you see Christianity as a greater threat than terrorist attacks/planes into buildings, shooting up nigh clubs, shooting up a CHRISTMAS PARTY etc... Because Christianity offers an opposing view to you politically but is willing to obey and yeild to all the laws of the land, yet simply stands in disagreement with you?!?!?!

Are you fucking retarded??? Why do you think that literal f-ing bullets are less dangerous than a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN Who Simply Oppose you on political issue?!?!?

Seriously that has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read. I think you just gave me cancer....

Holy crap dude no one is going to vote in a christian sharia. I won't vote for that, no one I know will ever vote for that....


Now on the Muslim hand there is a standing call for the death of gay people.. "So they can be forgiven their sins."

Can not yet see you are standing on the wrong side of the fence here? Or do you not know what to think because a political satirist has not yet told you how to insult your way out of this yet?

Telling people to Kill others for any sin should not be condoned in this country. This is no different than a modern day witch hunt. Yet to you a law abiding christian looking to go through the law making process to effectivly change the law is a greater threat than a terrorist who breaks the law and shoots/kills almost 100 people.

I guess it is simply not "cool" to tell a muslim he is wrong or bad for killing in the name of his religion... How many more lives have to be lost before people like you get what is happening to our society on your watch? How many more have to die before you say enough?

(June 28, 2016 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 28, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Brian37 Wrote: And this Christian Pastor called for the death of gays. He also introduced Ted Cruz at a rally event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDbGyv6SIQ

And did any christians heed his call like the muslims did?

Or do you not understand that is the point I am making?

This Imam has the power and authority to ensite action while nut bag christian pastors do not. That an average home grown muslim was activated into action like a sleeper agent/Manchurian Candidate with the application of the right words...

So then how more unstable are those who want to come here unchecked/unvetted?

So that makes them half assed bigots. They love the tough talk but are pussies in regards to actually enforcing the law they claim their god wants them to spread. The Islamist who actually murder gays are more true to their beliefs.

I am glad they are half assed bigots, on top of being flat out wrong about human sexuality. But they are still Christians.

Gays don't owe anyone submission nor do they need your permission to be who they are. 

SECULAR LAW is why they are half assed bigots. Because the fear of going to jail overrides the bullshit they claim.