(July 4, 2016 at 8:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: Humans are made of matter, water, energy, air, space......and.....mind-consciousness.
Universe is made of matter, water, energy, air, space and.........guess what?  

Water and air are also matter. More specifically humans are made up of the elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulphur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. There are also plenty of other trace elements like iron.

So let's take a human body. We'll scoop out its brain. Is it still made up of 'mind-consciousness' ?

What exactly is 'mind-consciousness'? Can we use it to power a light bulb or to roll up and make into dumplings? No.

Humans are not made up of 'mind-consciousness'. It is solely an emergent property of the interaction of trillions of physical neurons.

It's like saying that an anthill is made up of 'organisation'. It is a description, not an ingredient.


I'd pay more attention in science class if I were you.

(July 4, 2016 at 6:49 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: We have an imagination.  That's why we explore how things work, instead of settled with "goddidit hyuck!"

So let me guess.  

Your exploration tell you that a human being has got a body and a mind but the universal body doesn't.
The universe is like a zombie with a body but not a mind.
Right?

Gee, I feel a bit frightened to think that any time this zombie after a billion or more year that existed
all of a sudden may destroy all of us and more.      
Why did you scare me Val?  

What is the 'universal body'? Did you make that up? It sounds like you are just calling the universe a body - which it isn't in any literal sense of the word - so that you can justify attributing a mind to it. Which you can't. Because that doesn't make sense.

(July 5, 2016 at 8:58 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(July 4, 2016 at 8:12 am)Little Rik Wrote: Humans are made of matter, water, energy, air, space......and.....mind-consciousness.
Universe is made of matter, water, energy, air, space and.........guess what?  

Water and air are also matter. More specifically humans are made up of the elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulphur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. There are also plenty of other trace elements like iron.

So let's take a human body. We'll scoop out its brain. Is it still made up of 'mind-consciousness' ?

What exactly is 'mind-consciousness'? Can we use it to power a light bulb or to roll up and make into dumplings? No.

Humans are not made up of 'mind-consciousness'. It is solely an emergent property of the interaction of trillions of physical neurons.

It's like saying that an anthill is made up of 'organisation'. It is a description, not an ingredient.


I'd pay more attention in science class if I were you.

Mat your analysis is a total disaster.  

1) Different things may well have the same elements that other things have but in different proportion
and in different stages of evolution so you can not say that they are the same.

2) Matter is the last stage of devolution.
It can not devolve any further.
It can only start the evolution  process into plants, animals, humans and back to where once came from.

3) water and air are not matter.
That is not how evolution works.
Every single element exist in a different stage of evolution.
Matter is matter air is air and water is water.

4) Mind-consciousness is NOT an emergent property of the interaction of trillions of physical neurons.
Physicality can not possibly give birth to something more evolved such as the consciousness.
Is not even the other way around.
Consciousness will get encased so to speak in the most suitable body able to facilitated her progress.
Like a piece of puzzle that can only fit in the correct jigsaw.  

(July 5, 2016 at 9:07 am)Little Rik Wrote: So let me guess.  

Your exploration tell you that a human being has got a body and a mind but the universal body doesn't.
The universe is like a zombie with a body but not a mind.
Right?

Yes! Finally! Lose the condescension and the babyish snarks and you actually caught on! It's only taken, what, three years or something?

(July 5, 2016 at 9:10 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: What is the 'universal body'? Did you make that up? It sounds like you are just calling the universe a body - which it isn't in any literal sense of the word - so that you can justify attributing a mind to it. Which you can't. Because that doesn't make sense.

It make sense because all the elements that compose the universe are in us as well.
In totally different stages of evolution but they are there.
There is no other way to describe two similar things.
If the universe would only be made up of air or only of water or only of matter then we could not say that the universe is a body but because the universe has all the elements that we also have we can say that it is a body.  

Not following you...

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From what you've said I'm pretty sure you don't understand how biology works, or how evolution works

(July 5, 2016 at 9:27 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(July 5, 2016 at 9:07 am)Little Rik Wrote: So let me guess.  

Your exploration tell you that a human being has got a body and a mind but the universal body doesn't.
The universe is like a zombie with a body but not a mind.
Right?

Yes! Finally! Lose the condescension and the babyish snarks and you actually caught on! It's only taken, what, three years or something?

Condescension on the contrary?
Right broth mate?  

(July 5, 2016 at 10:00 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: Not following you...

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From what you've said I'm pretty sure you don't understand how biology works, or how evolution works

Go ahead then and explain how evolution works.