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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 5:59 am
(July 21, 2016 at 4:52 am)chimp3 Wrote: (July 21, 2016 at 4:45 am)Godschild Wrote: No, what I said plainly was that those who tried to disrupt God's plan for the church were punished before anyone else got sick or died.
GC Your claim that these people suffered a gods wrath is neither supportable nor is it falsifiable. It is easily dismissed as nonsense.
You'd better listen to GC and start believing his story as quickly as you can - or else he'll sic his pet god on you and apparently it kills people he doesn't like.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 6:05 am
(July 21, 2016 at 5:59 am)Stimbo Wrote: You'd better listen to GC and start believing his story as quickly as you can - or else he'll sic his pet god on you and apparently it kills people he doesn't like.
Is there a special place in hell for people who smart off to Christians? The demons call themselves "The Joker Pokers". Maybe it is like open mike night at a comedy club and we all get 15 minutes .
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 6:49 am
(July 21, 2016 at 5:57 am)chimp3 Wrote: (July 21, 2016 at 5:27 am)Godschild Wrote: Believe what you want to, I placed the truth before you and if you find it nonsense ... well the lasting result of that is on you.
GC
All Hail Godschild ! He who places the truth before us ! Heed his warnings lest lasting results fall upon you!
Just kidding GC. Just having a bit of fun with the old hellfire and brimstone bit. A bit passe' but might work on some. Let me ask : Are you afraid of God?
No not in the sense you are probably asking. I have respect for God who created all things which means He has power beyond belief and has providence over His creation. You see I believe God will keep his promises to all of mankind and in that I have a fear for those who do not know Him nor believe in the wrath He promises for those who will not accept Christ as savior and for who He is. God is limitless and so his wrath will be also. I know you don't want to hear this but God is justified in anything He chooses to do, (here it comes) because He is God. He is the supreme ruler of His creation.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 6:57 am
(July 21, 2016 at 6:49 am)Godschild Wrote: No not in the sense you are probably asking. I have respect for God who created all things which means He has power beyond belief and has providence over His creation. You see I believe God will keep his promises to all of mankind and in that I have a fear for those who do not know Him nor believe in the wrath He promises for those who will not accept Christ as savior and for who He is. God is limitless and so his wrath will be also. I know you don't want to hear this but God is justified in anything He chooses to do, (here it comes) because He is God. He is the supreme ruler of His creation.
GC
You do not know what I want to hear or not. let me ask you this: Do you have any chronic illness? Hypertension , diabetes, gastrointestinal reflux? Anything more serious?
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 8:24 am
Might makes right, apparently.
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 9:23 am
(July 21, 2016 at 5:27 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 21, 2016 at 4:52 am)chimp3 Wrote: Your claim that these people suffered a gods wrath is neither supportable nor is it falsifiable. It is easily dismissed as nonsense.
Believe what you want to, I placed the truth before you and if you find it nonsense ... well the lasting result of that is on you.
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 9:27 am
(July 8, 2016 at 1:48 am)Maelstrom Wrote: The entire problem with religion is that is takes the concept of Lucifer entirely too seriously, especially when the real evil has always been man himself.
GC himself is evil. He may not see it, but he is.
He would rather prevent a great advancement than admit that his god is fiction. My general impression is that in the face over overwhelming and nasty criticism GC has been more gracious than most members, including myself.
As for Swedenborgian theology we take references to Lucifer as not a single entity but rather a collection, like Legion, of evil spirits. Nevertheless Drich's answer still holds. Those who desire to place themselves above God's authority will be cast down. Think of every thread or reply on AF in which atheists stand in judgment over God because the world does not conform to their expectations of what an all-mighty creator should in their minds should be able to create.
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 9:31 am
(July 8, 2016 at 4:54 am)robvalue Wrote: Why doesn't god silence Satan's powers? Can't he or won't he? If God exists would you want Him to silence you?
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 9:36 am
(July 21, 2016 at 9:31 am)ChadWooters Wrote: (July 8, 2016 at 4:54 am)robvalue Wrote: Why doesn't god silence Satan's powers? Can't he or won't he? If God exists would you want Him to silence you?
So, we should be concerned about Satan's feelings?
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RE: Lucifer
July 21, 2016 at 9:38 am
Gracious is as gracious does - I'll take distasteful language over a distasteful worldview any day.
And I for one don't stand in judgement over your (or any) god because of my expectations - I stand in judgement over the character as defined by its worshippers because that character is toxic to humanity and incompatible with the Universe at large.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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