(July 21, 2016 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 20, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: What the fuck is this nonsense?  Energy would become an out of control killer?  What in fuck?

Now you're hip deep in dogma that doesn't make any sense.  Energy doesn't need consciousness to exist. That's just mularkey.

Oh, I see.
I didn't know that you believe in zombies.  

Plenty of energy but no brains.  

Well done yog.  
You lowered one step down into the fantastic world of the elves.  

And if you're not going to explain why you think energy would become an out of control killer without consciousness then you have lost this point. Without an explanation it's just meaningless dogma.

I don't think that this addendum is any more useful than the obvious inaccuracies it seeks to redeem.  There is no explanation as to how rocks could have a consciousness or what they would be conscious of, and no explanation for how they transition from the state we see them in into the state you propose they will one day be....and ofc it;s pointless to argue over whether or not you've actually seen such a thing happen, that there's any observation which led you to these statements - we both know that you haven't.  

Rocks don't, as far as we can tell "wake up" to be anything at all.  There have been rocks for -billions- of years...if what you've just said is true we should see some rock somewhere waking up as a tree or a dog or whatever just about every second of every day.  We don't.  Instead, we see them slowly ground away to clay without a single one of them ever exhibiting so much as a -hint- of the behavior you've proposed in all of the time we've been looking at rocks...everywhere we've been looking at rocks. Here, again, there's no room for you to have been mistaken...you're not thinking or communicating properly.

I'm not sure where free will and children fit into anything else you said.

This is just one of many opportunities you've been given to demonstrate the accuracy of whatever it is you believe....if you refuse to do so, or simply cannot, it's pointless to bitch and moan about others not affording your beliefs an ounce of credibility.

(July 21, 2016 at 10:34 am)purplepurpose Wrote:

(July 21, 2016 at 10:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: Your comment show how entrenched in the dogma you are.
To you everything boil down to the physical level.
I would have thought that even a demented idiot would understand that my surrender
relate to the mind-consciousness side.
There is enough evidence that the more we know and the more there is to know.
It is a never ending struggle.
Smart people realize that behind this finite world there got to be something infinite.
At this stage there is no point in chasing the finite in which is impossible to grasp the real McCoy
that after all doesn't even exist.
If we don't admit that something superior exist then we go around in circle getting nowhere.

Even in the physical world you have to surrender to your teacher
and everybody else that show you how to progress.
Alone you are no one but as soon as you get help from other you can progress.
You never thought about it Whatever, did you or you still live in a world of fantasy and schlongs?  

Why you cannot respect peoples choice on wanting to live a comfy life. Spirituality is a luxury for people who seek happiness in this life. 

If you think that happiness is being gods servant/almost slave, then why dont you strive to become Gods "little angel" and stop acting as if non believers didnt understand already your point after 285 posts.

Servant?
Slave?
No Mister.
Yoga doesn't lead to become a servant or a slave.
A drop of water that end up in the ocean will become the ocean itself.
This drop reckon that the ocean is infinite compare to herself and at the same time
understand that it has all the qualification to become the great ocean so no nothing to do with
slaves-servants.
Yoga surrender is all about understanding that there got to exist an attraction between the finite and the infinite.
Attraction involve that you surrender to a lover.
Exactly as you would surrender to a physical lover of yours.  
Got it?  

I would hope, for yogas sake, that your comments are not representative of a coherent explanation of it;s core tenets.  Maybe you should leave this up to someone who understands them better than you, or can communicate them more clearly?

(July 21, 2016 at 11:03 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 21, 2016 at 10:34 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Why you cannot respect peoples choice on wanting to live a comfy life. Spirituality is a luxury for people who seek happiness in this life. 

If you think that happiness is being gods servant/almost slave, then why dont you strive to become Gods "little angel" and stop acting as if non believers didnt understand already your point after 285 posts.

Servant?
Slave?
No Mister.
Yoga doesn't lead to become a servant or a slave.
A drop of water that end up in the ocean will become the ocean itself.
This drop reckon that the ocean is infinite compare to herself and at the same time
understand that it has all the qualification to become the great ocean so no nothing to do with
slaves-servants.
Yoga surrender is all about understanding that there got to exist an attraction between the finite and the infinite.
Attraction involve that you surrender to a lover.
Exactly as you would surrender to a physical lover of yours.  
Got it?  

According to yoga teachings, you have to go trough "hell" to be able to attain eternal happiness with God. Almost nobody needs helish yoga, when there are earthy pleasures available.

Little Rik, could you please introduce yourself. Did you enjoyed sex for years in your life? Or you led a life of a humble monk who didnt "sin" in his life and now is ready to share his wisdom backed by a celibate and other ascetic achievments?

(July 21, 2016 at 10:55 am)Rhythm Wrote: I don't think that this addendum is any more useful than the obvious inaccuracies it seeks to redeem.  There is no explanation as to how rocks could have a consciousness or what they would be conscious of, and no explanation for how they transition from the state we see them in into the state you propose they will one day be....and ofc it;s pointless to argue over whether or not you've actually seen such a thing happen, that there's any observation which led you to these statements - we both know that you haven't.    

Rocks don't, as far as we can tell "wake up" to be anything at all.  There have been rocks for -billions- of years...if what you've just said is true we should see some rock somewhere waking up as a tree or a dog or whatever just about every second of every day.  We don't.  Instead, we see them slowly ground away to clay without a single one of them ever exhibiting so much as a -hint- of the behavior you've proposed in all of the time we've been looking at rocks...everywhere we've been looking at rocks.  Here, again, there's no room for you to have been mistaken...you're not thinking or communicating properly.  

I'm not sure where free will and children fit into anything else you said.

This is just one of many opportunities you've been given to demonstrate the accuracy of whatever it is you believe....if you refuse to do so, or simply cannot, it's pointless to bitch and moan about others not affording your beliefs an ounce of credibility.

Gee, now I will have to engage in private tuition and getting no paid for it.  

Yeah, this time is my head unfortunately.

Look Ritmo.
Have you ever heard of uranium and other radioactive material?
Have you ever wonder why some certain matter are able to emit radiations?
Why do you think they do?
Why the energy want to escape from the matter?

Ok ritmo now I gave you some food for your thoughts.
If you did not get it by now tomorrow I will give you some more private tuition.  

Finally tracked down video of your old teacher, Rik. Now we can all be as spiritual as you, you wanker.


https://youtu.be/1kDso5ElFRg

(July 21, 2016 at 11:14 am)Little Rik Wrote: Gee, now I will have to engage in private tuition and getting no paid for it.  

Why would anyone pay you for something you've failed to produce?  Would you pay me for the sweet...sweet car I won;t even show you?  OFC not, because you're not a moron...right?  

Quote:Yeah, this time is my head unfortunately.

Look Ritmo.
Have you ever heard of uranium and other radioactive material?
Have you ever wonder why some certain matter are able to emit radiations?
Why do you think they do?
Why the energy want to escape from the matter?

Would explaining radioactive decay be useful, at all...to you?  Why do you think uranium wants anything to begin with?  Has uranium ever sat you down and shown you it's bucket list?

Quote:Ok ritmo now I gave you some food for your thoughts.
If you did not get it by now tomorrow I will give you some more private tuition.  

No, you tried to peddle another bill of goods.  I don;t want to see the bill...show me the goods.  Is that too much to ask?

(July 21, 2016 at 11:14 am)Little Rik Wrote: Have you ever heard of uranium and other radioactive material?
Have you ever wonder why some certain matter are able to emit radiations?
Why do you think they do?
Why the energy want to escape from the matter?

So . . . radioactive decay is a function of an element's energy wanting to escape? What about stable elements? The energy is content? Or is it just lazy?

I swear, every time I think you've hit stupidity bedrock, you manage to dig deeper. They could use your head to drill for deep sea oil reserves.

(July 21, 2016 at 11:14 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(July 21, 2016 at 10:55 am)Rhythm Wrote: I don't think that this addendum is any more useful than the obvious inaccuracies it seeks to redeem.  There is no explanation as to how rocks could have a consciousness or what they would be conscious of, and no explanation for how they transition from the state we see them in into the state you propose they will one day be....and ofc it;s pointless to argue over whether or not you've actually seen such a thing happen, that there's any observation which led you to these statements - we both know that you haven't.    

Rocks don't, as far as we can tell "wake up" to be anything at all.  There have been rocks for -billions- of years...if what you've just said is true we should see some rock somewhere waking up as a tree or a dog or whatever just about every second of every day.  We don't.  Instead, we see them slowly ground away to clay without a single one of them ever exhibiting so much as a -hint- of the behavior you've proposed in all of the time we've been looking at rocks...everywhere we've been looking at rocks.  Here, again, there's no room for you to have been mistaken...you're not thinking or communicating properly.  

I'm not sure where free will and children fit into anything else you said.

This is just one of many opportunities you've been given to demonstrate the accuracy of whatever it is you believe....if you refuse to do so, or simply cannot, it's pointless to bitch and moan about others not affording your beliefs an ounce of credibility.

Gee, now I will have to engage in private tuition and getting no paid for it.  

Yeah, this time is my head unfortunately.

Look Ritmo.
Have you ever heard of uranium and other radioactive material?
Have you ever wonder why some certain matter are able to emit radiations?
Why do you think they do?
Why the energy want to escape from the matter?

This is well understood physics and has nothing to do with consciousness.

Quote:So what makes the protons stay together in an atom?

A force called the strong force opposes and overcomes the force of repulsion between the protons and holds the nucleus together. The net energy associated with the balance of the strong force and the force of repulsion is called the binding energy. The electrons are kept in orbit around the nucleus because there is an electromagnetic field of attraction between the positive charge of the protons and the negative charge of the electrons.

Does the nucleus of an atom ever lose particles?

In some atoms, the binding energy is great enough to hold the nucleus together. The nucleus of this kind of atom is said to be stable. In some atoms the binding energy is not strong enough to hold the nucleus together, and the nuclei of these atoms are said to be unstable. Unstable atoms will lose neutrons and protons as they attempt to become stable.

https://www.nde-ed.org/EducationResource...eatoms.htm

Unstable atoms lose energy and particles on their way to becoming stable.  Nothing to do with consciousness.

Your lack of high school physics is your defeat.