(July 22, 2016 at 2:06 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 2:05 pm)RobertE Wrote: The same idiotic media who are into scare-mongering making gullible politically correct people tremble like jellies. Listen mate, life is too short, grab a beer, take your wife out and have a good time. If it happens, it happens, just like you could get run over by a tractor, in spite of living in a quiet, traquille, Miss Marple-like village.

I believe you're too much of a moron to be able to have an intelligent conversation about anything, let alone about this. Fuck off, why don't you, you ignorant fuck.

Bravo!!! Insulting the poster instead of the post which is typical of people who are experienced in ad-hominems.....

Hopefully no one was replying to this thread while in the Munich shopping centre today.

(July 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 2:06 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: I believe you're too much of a moron to be able to have an intelligent conversation about anything, let alone about this. Fuck off, why don't you, you ignorant fuck.

Bravo!!! Insulting the poster instead of the post which is typical of people who are experienced in ad-hominems.....

You were condescending to me. Your post was devoid of any relevant information pertaining to the subject under discussion. Take your stick out of your ass and learn to have a conversation about a serious topic.

(July 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm)wallym Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm)RobertE Wrote: From small acorns and all that.....

I did say "almost like..." it.  Intuitively, I think obviously we don't want terrorists to have guns.  But then I wonder what they'd come up with if there wasn't that quick easy option.  Maybe they'd just try and stab a bunch of people.  Or maybe they get creative and think up shit like the Nice attack.  Or worse, they take their time and come up with something more significant.

Again, that has happened recently where a gendarme was knifed in the neck in Paris during rush hour in front of hundreds of people. They are not scared to use whatever means are necessary.

(July 22, 2016 at 2:10 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 2:08 pm)RobertE Wrote: Bravo!!! Insulting the poster instead of the post which is typical of people who are experienced in ad-hominems.....

You were condescending to me. Your post was devoid of any relevant information pertaining to the subject under discussion. Take your stick out of your ass and learn to have a conversation about a serious topic.

So, this is not serious enough for you then.....

Fingers in ears.....*lalalalalalalalalalalalalala*

(July 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 1:57 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I don't really know what you are asking here.

The OP seems to think Terrorism isn't a problem, or, at least, that saying so is somehow his small way of fighting it. I bet this warped notion has been implanted in his head by a misinformed, regressive and utterly idiotic media, so I'm not about to blame him for it, but I would gladly hear his further reasoning on the matter.

Well, terrorism is meant to make you terrified. It's also meant to draw an overreaction from the people attacked. Lets take the worst terrorist attack. Osama bin Laden himself said that part of the reason behind 9/11 was to bankrupt the United States. We certainly did over react to 9/11, we invaded 2 countries and needlessly killed hundreds of times the 9/11 victims, started a process that threw the whole middle east into chaos and now we have ISIS as part of a result of that chaos, which just furthers the spread of a corrupt ideology. That seems like a win for the terrorists. If we don't overreact

I'm not advocating doing nothing, just a proportioned response to how big of a problem it actually is. For example, thousands of times the number of terrorist victims die due to the obesity epidemic then to terrorism (in the United States). It would seem to make sense to focus thousands of times the resources on the larger problem rather then waste money on something just just isn't a big problem. That word big is important, because I never said it isn't a problem, it isn't a big problem. If you look at the number of deaths, there are just so many larger problems that we could proportionally be using our resources to fight.

Now convince me that terrorism is a larger problem then obesity or traffic accidents.

Hell yes.

(July 22, 2016 at 1:29 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Except it's not about humiliating them militarily, but ideologically. You have to fight their ideas first, discredit their warped worldview - that's how you win this fight first and foremost.

To me military victory and ideological victory must happen. Defeating the ideology is particularly thorny with Islam. I've grown very tired of hearing that "most Muslims are peaceful." That's a truth that only goes so far. To me that's irrelevant. I do business with many Muslim vendors. I doubt they are making bombs in their basements. At the same time it doesn't serve anyone's interest, including assimilated Muslims, to pretend that Islam the religion, as it is most commonly practiced worldwide, isn't a uniquely dangerous political threat.

How does a pluralistic Western culture, in which devout Muslims should feel welcome, reject just the political aspirations of Islam without being seen as a form of religious intolerance? I don't really know. It's hard to parse out the political proscriptions within Islam from religious mandates that apply only to believers. Some people seem to think this is something the adherents of Islam and their leaders need to work out from within. I'm pretty sure that is already quietly happening. That said, I'm not convinced that the rest of us can just assume that someday soon Islam will go through its own versions of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation.

Same way we parsed out the political aspirations of christianity?  Oh..wait...no, we never managed to do that...lol.  Christians are fairly well known for casting allah's vote.

(July 22, 2016 at 2:19 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(July 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: The OP seems to think Terrorism isn't a problem, or, at least, that saying so is somehow his small way of fighting it. I bet this warped notion has been implanted in his head by a misinformed, regressive and utterly idiotic media, so I'm not about to blame him for it, but I would gladly hear his further reasoning on the matter.

Well, terrorism is meant to make you terrified. It's also meant to draw an overreaction from the people attacked. Lets take the worst terrorist attack. Osama bin Laden himself said that part of the reason behind 9/11 was to bankrupt the United States. We certainly did over react to 9/11, we invaded 2 countries and needlessly killed hundreds of times the 9/11 victims, started a process that threw the whole middle east into chaos and now we have ISIS as part of a result of that chaos, which just furthers the spread of a corrupt ideology. That seems like a win for the terrorists. If we don't overreact

I'm not advocating doing nothing, just a proportioned response to how big of a problem it actually is. For example, thousands of times the number of terrorist victims die due to the obesity epidemic then to terrorism (in the United States). It would seem to make sense to focus thousands of times the resources on the larger problem rather then waste money on something just just isn't a big problem. That word big is important, because I never said it isn't a problem, it isn't a big problem. If you look at the number of deaths, there are just so many larger problems that we could proportionally be using our resources to fight.

Now convince me that terrorism is a larger problem then obesity or traffic accidents.

It might not seem like it if you're going by the statistics but it is. For one simple reason. Direct human involvement in the problem of terrorism. You couldn't fault any one person or organization or idea for an adverse product of our culture, such as obesity or traffic accidents. You can only try and mitigate those factors that lead to those problems the best you can, as a society. Jihadism, Islamic Terrorism and Islamic politicalization(or Islamism) can be directly traced to a set of dogmas and ideas that people adhere to and take to the extreme. It is a problem of bad ideas at heart, not one born of a mistaken foreign policy of the USA, the latter's perverse propensity to blame itself for all that is evil in the world notwithstanding.

A large number of people actually believe these things and they're going to try and destroy civilization no matter how much you bend over backwards to accomodate their impossible beliefs and demands. The idea itself is also extremely contagious to boot. All the more reason to fight it at a more abstract level.