(July 31, 2016 at 11:13 am)RobertE Wrote: I think we will go around and around in circles to be honest. I suppose racism can be defined in a way that we take a white man who will not let his daughter marry a black man as an example. There maybe reasons for this, but we would have to call it "racist." We can turn the tables and say that a black father will not let his daughter marry a white man, so this too is racist. Or we could change the black and white, to white and Japanese, or Japanese and white, or Chinese and black, whichever way you look at it, it is still racist, and it should not be confused with behaviour-based judgement which can make people hate simply because of behaviour, and not the colour of skin. And now, do you have a response to my question.

LOL... That is not a definition - just a bunch of very simplistic examples. And of course you completely neglect the kind of racism, that considers certain people superior - you just have it in your head, that racism is calling people of different skin-color than your own bad names, which is naive. Saying that Asians are good at math, or that black people have huge dongs - that's still racism, even if you consider those generalizations "compliments".

There is no such thing as an objective definition of "race". Different people have different idea, that suits their own prejudices. For example - many Germans some 70 years ago used to consider themselves a superior race, compared, to - say - Polish or Russians - and they're ALL WHITE. And many black people consider other black people a different race - ever heard of Rwanda? Hutu, Tootsie, genocide - all that? No? Google it.

As for your question - I don't know if calling someone a "pommy" is racist, depends on what the person means by it, I suppose. It sure is xenophobic, if not used as a joke among friends. Either way - it's a borderline issue and it's based on the same mechanism as discrimination against people, who look different - prejudice.

Anyway - I don't call anyone a "pommy", "frog", or "limey" - I must be the ONLY non-racist in the world, by your standard...

As long as we're defining things, in the topic we see "UK".

So, are we talking about the government fomenting racism to further (undefined) governmental goals, or are talking about a groundswell of racism in the populace ??

And is it possible if the latter, there is an organized group pushing that (not their government, to be clear), and if so is there clarity as to which organization ??

The posters from a neoNAZI outfit are disturbing (except the no homo thing, which I think is priceless) are clear enough in that regard, but might there be others?

(July 30, 2016 at 6:35 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: There are times when I feel ashamed to be British

It's not just the British, it's humans in general. The assholes are the loudest, most bombastic and get the most press.

(July 31, 2016 at 11:50 am)vorlon13 Wrote: So, are we talking about the government fomenting racism to further (undefined) governmental goals, or are talking about a groundswell of racism in the populace ??

The government, as long as it's not the Polish or Hungarian model, doesn't encourage it. But there are interested parties changing a political dime by appealing to the more primitive feelings of certain people.

(July 31, 2016 at 11:58 am)abaris Wrote:

(July 31, 2016 at 11:50 am)vorlon13 Wrote: So, are we talking about the government fomenting racism to further (undefined) governmental goals, or are talking about a groundswell of racism in the populace ??

The government, as long as it's not the Polish or Hungarian model, doesn't encourage it. But there are interested parties changing a political dime by appealing to the more primitive feelings of certain people.

It's kind of like when a teacher tells the class, that they're all going to get detention, because of this one kid. The teacher may not directly encourage violence, he/she may not even mean to, but that kid sure is going to get the sh*t kicked out of him afterwards.

(July 31, 2016 at 11:56 am)Mermaid Wrote:

(July 30, 2016 at 6:35 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: There are times when I feel ashamed to be British

It's not just the British, it's humans in general. The assholes are the loudest, most bombastic and get the most press.

You are indeed correct, I remember Bernard Hopkins and his hateful racist remark towards Joe Calzaghe:

(July 30, 2016 at 12:27 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: I'm saying its normal, yeah.

That's not what's being reported...

Quote:"I've spent most of the weekend talking to organizations, individuals and activists who work in the area of race hate crime, who monitor hate crime and they have shown some really disturbing early results from people being stopped in the street and saying look, we voted Leave, it's time for you to leave," she said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/27/europe/rac...st-brexit/

Lot of nonsense.

(July 31, 2016 at 1:53 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(July 31, 2016 at 11:56 am)Mermaid Wrote: It's not just the British, it's humans in general. The assholes are the loudest, most bombastic and get the most press.

You are indeed correct, I remember Bernard Hopkins and his hateful racist remark towards Joe Calzaghe:

Racial slurs against whites are almost always ignored and black supremacy is seen as acceptable in today's society. It's truly sickening indeed.

Bigotry is bigotry and it exists in all cultures I know of.