Humanoid =/= human. Just wanted to point that out.

(August 6, 2016 at 7:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all, get the idea of the serpent being a reptile out of your head, it was humanoid. The serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly as punishment for what he had done, that tells you right there that is had a completely different form than it currently does.

How exactly do you know that its 'different form' was humanoid?

(August 6, 2016 at 9:04 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 6, 2016 at 7:58 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all, get the idea of the serpent being a reptile out of your head, it was humanoid. The serpent was cursed to crawl on his belly as punishment for what he had done, that tells you right there that is had a completely different form than it currently does.

How exactly do you know that its 'different form' was humanoid?

It had the ability to reason, could talk, but mainly Because it could sexually reproduce with humans.

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(August 6, 2016 at 9:15 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Humanoid or not, Huggy Bear, it would still be a reptile. It may be something out of David Icke's wet dreams, but, damn it, a humanoid reptile is still a goddam reptile. Its biology would still be too different for Eve and the serpent to procreate. Also, I love it that you use that one passage as an excuse to ignore everything else I wrote. All it does is make your position look like it was built on the sand.

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Which is why it wasn't a reptile as I have already stated.

The Hebrew word for serpent is "Nachash" which means "shining one", that doesn't describe a reptile at all.

This is the first time I've ever heard this, in all the discussions with theists I've listened to over the last few years. Quite an imagination.

Let's face it, this is what the authors more likely had in mind:

It was a talking snake. Its head was off the floor, with part of its body being vertical to support it. Then God cursed it, and the whole thing went flat.

(August 6, 2016 at 10:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: This is the first time I've ever heard this, in all the discussions with theists I've listened to over the last few years. Quite an imagination.

Let's face it, this is what the authors more likely had in mind:

It was a talking snake. Its head was off the floor, with part of its body being vertical to support it. Then God cursed it, and the whole thing went flat.

Talk about having an imagination...

(August 6, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(August 6, 2016 at 10:13 pm)robvalue Wrote: This is the first time I've ever heard this, in all the discussions with theists I've listened to over the last few years. Quite an imagination.

Let's face it, this is what the authors more likely had in mind:

It was a talking snake. Its head was off the floor, with part of its body being vertical to support it. Then God cursed it, and the whole thing went flat.

Talk about having an imagination...

Man, you just keep dodging my questions. You made no real attempt to answer Numbers 5 other than to seemingly say, "Well, it uses the phrase 'her thigh will rot' and instead of thinking about what that means I'll just pretend it's not addressing abortion whatsoever regardless of what the NIV says."

Meanwhile, I said this on the other page:

The text in the KJV says that her "thigh will rot." Given that it says if she's cleared of charges she will be able to procreate, this implies that if she's guilty she will become barren.

If a woman is already preggers and then is cursed so that she will never be able to bear children, what do you think happens to the precious little bundle of joy in her womb? Are you going to tell me that this passage, which clearly describes itself as being about marital jealousy, actually means to say that the woman will be allowed to give birth to her current child (provided she's preggers) even though the child is the result of adultery?

It didn't have one form, so you can make up whatever you want?

Sure, you can make up whatever you want. It looked like an elephant before. How's that? Then it became a flat snake.

If a snake humanoid had to crawl on its belly, it would still be a snake humanoid. And I'm pretty sure they would have made mention of the fact that it was a humanoid.

I can't believe I'm discussing what is and isn't likely, about a talking snake story. Seriously, I've been doing this stuff too long.