This is one of the things I marvel at in science because I've seen this go from fringe speculation to mainstream thought over the course of my life. There were few - if any - scientists who gave this any serious consideration at all when I was growing up. It was a concept much beloved by science fiction writers but had no place in actual scientific discussion. Now, all the modern theories seem to lead in that direction. So you're in luck, SerenelyBlue - at least for now.

I would caution the OP (or anyone else) on approaching a scientific question based on what you would like to believe though. That's the kind of thinking that gave us religion. What you, I or anyone else wants is absolutely irrelevant to what is. Science is about following the evidence where it leads - whether you like where it's headed or not. That's the only path to truth.

Quote:I probably gave Alex a nosebleed with that...

Quote:Or an erection. It's a coin toss.

The two states are not mutually exclusive. I can't tell you how I know that.

Boru

Its gets creepy and spooky when people talk about QM and multiverse. Too much "magic" in there.

There is some evidence for it, I've read, that was garnered from CMB data. Nothing definitive, but it's one of the few cosmological metaphors I can get inside my head. True? Who knows? But it's a great question to ask.

From what I'm able worked out and trace in evidence, the stability of this universe is because of regular organization with infinite other universes that are all the same quantum expression (finite wave-form) of an original unfied infinite state (particle with no boundary). They are all the same size and patterned exactly the same (in different times and spaces to develope differently.

The "fine tuning" is geometric and self limiting. No inteligent design or Many Worlds drunken bingo machine special pleading needed. The metaverse is deterministic.

Possible, maybe.
But anyone saying they believe it to be true may as well be a theist.

(September 6, 2016 at 9:51 am)Little lunch Wrote: Possible, maybe.
But anyone saying they believe it to be true may as well be a theist.

The expansive constant for each one of these universes is exactly the same...because it's a geometric, deterministic model....and in a maximum density sphere pack of equal sized spheres it comes out to less than .5 a percent away from refined moderndark energy values.

I have good reason for my "theism"

(September 5, 2016 at 12:00 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Its gets creepy and spooky when people talk about QM and multiverse. Too much "magic" in there.

No, no magic, just that the science is suggesting really weird things we are not used to thinking about. The good thing about science is that it takes all the "magic" superstition out of something when finally explained. 

I don't like "creepy" or "spooky" but more like "pleasantly freaky".

I think we will expand our knowledge to a really great degree before we go extinct as a species. But even in saying that, I think because of the way the macro world and QM world relate, we are going to be limited more physically. Scientists do often say "never say never" when it comes to possibilities, but they also say "highly unlikely from our perspective at this current point based on our best data so far".

It was just like when all the si fi fans masturbated over the NASA article a couple years ago when it said that the "WARP DRIVE" was mathematically "plausible" on paper, but in reality totally impractical because of the amount of energy it would require to produce.

If we are to pull our heads out of our asses as a species, I find it quite possible to eventually contact other life in the universe if only verbal. But for right now, the things like wormholes and teleporting are for me a very huge longshot if not impossible.

QM regardless is really fun to think about. If anything it really shows you both the really grand scope in a much more eloquent way than old books of myth.

(September 6, 2016 at 9:51 am)Little lunch Wrote: Possible, maybe.
But anyone saying they believe it to be true may as well be a theist.

How about people saying it seems as likely or more so as believing that all we can see or detect, is all there is?

Over the years that assumption has lost out so many times that I don't see why anyone gives it any weight at all anymore.

(September 5, 2016 at 7:13 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: From what I'm able worked out and trace in evidence, the stability of this universe is because of regular organization with infinite other universes that are all the same quantum expression (finite wave-form) of an original unfied infinite state (particle with no boundary). They are all the same size and patterned exactly the same (in different times and spaces to develope differently.

The universe is what in the what what?!?

Quote:The "fine tuning" is geometric and self limiting. No inteligent design or Many Worlds drunken bingo machine special pleading needed. The metaverse is deterministic.

Of course there is no bingo if you invent all new words...