(September 27, 2016 at 11:06 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Your words "solid infinite ocean"  Please clarify or forever be classified  as an irrational twit. This is the internet and part of your permanent record!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCD_matter

Quark matter or QCD matter refers to any of a number of theorized phases of matter whose degrees of freedom include quarks and gluons.[clarification needed] These theoretical phases would occur at extremely high temperatures and densities, billions of times higher than can be produced in equilibrium in laboratories. Under such extreme conditions, the familiar structure of matter, where the basic constituents are nuclei (consisting of nucleons which are bound states of quarks) and electrons, is disrupted. In quark matter it is more appropriate to treat the quarks themselves as the basic degrees of freedom.

In the standard model of particle physics, the strong force is described by the theory of quantum chromodynamics (QCD). At ordinary temperatures or densities this force just confines the quarks into composite particles (hadrons) of size around 10−15 m = 1 femtometer = 1 fm (corresponding to the QCD energy scale ΛQCD ≈ 200 MeV) and its effects are not noticeable at longer distances. However, when the temperature reaches the QCD energy scale (T of order 1012 kelvins) or the density rises to the point where the average inter-quark separation is less than 1 fm (quark chemical potential μ around 400 MeV), the hadrons are melted into their constituent quarks, and the strong interaction becomes the dominant feature of the physics. Such phases are called quark matter or QCD matter.

The strength of the color force makes the properties of quark matter unlike gas or plasma, instead leading to a state of matter more reminiscent of a liquid. At high densities, quark matter is a Fermi liquid, but is predicted to exhibit color superconductivity at high densities and temperatures below 1012 K.

(September 27, 2016 at 11:11 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:06 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Your words "solid infinite ocean"  Please clarify or forever be classified  as an irrational twit. This is the internet and part of your permanent record!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QCD_matter

Quark matter or QCD matter refers to any of a number of theorized phases of matter whose degrees of freedom include quarks and gluons.[clarification needed] These theoretical phases would occur at extremely high temperatures and densities, billions of times higher than can be produced in equilibrium in laboratories. Under such extreme conditions, the familiar structure of matter, where the basic constituents are nuclei (consisting of nucleons which are bound states of quarks) and electrons, is disrupted. In quark matter it is more appropriate to treat the quarks themselves as the basic degrees of freedom.

In the standard model of particle physics, the strong force is described by the theory of quantum chromodynamics (QCD). At ordinary temperatures or densities this force just confines the quarks into composite particles (hadrons) of size around 10−15 m = 1 femtometer = 1 fm (corresponding to the QCD energy scale ΛQCD ≈ 200 MeV) and its effects are not noticeable at longer distances. However, when the temperature reaches the QCD energy scale (T of order 1012 kelvins) or the density rises to the point where the average inter-quark separation is less than 1 fm (quark chemical potential μ around 400 MeV), the hadrons are melted into their constituent quarks, and the strong interaction becomes the dominant feature of the physics. Such phases are called quark matter or QCD matter.

The strength of the color force makes the properties of quark matter unlike gas or plasma, instead leading to a state of matter more reminiscent of a liquid. At high densities, quark matter is a Fermi liquid, but is predicted to exhibit color superconductivity at high densities and temperatures below 1012 K.

What does that advocate towards your claim that an ocean can be both solid and infinite?

(September 27, 2016 at 11:23 pm)chimp3 Wrote: What does that advocate towards your claim that an ocean can be both solid and infinite?

There is nothing more solid than all available space filled with quarks.
All of relative void space-time is created at the inflation of a singularity that has no external border. It is infinite.

http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/quest...e-infinite

In the standard ΛCDM model of the Big Bang, the universe is infinite and has always been such. The Big Bang singularity happened everywhere, in the sense that far back enough in time, the density diverges to infinity at every place.

But this is just a particular model--it assumes that the universe if spatially flat and is globally homogeneous and isotropic. There are extended models in which it is not exactly flat, and so could be finite even if it is still homogeneous and isotropic (if the curvature is even slightly positive). And of course we don't actually know whether it is homogeneous and isotropic at scales much larger than we actually see. Some inflationary models imply that it isn't.

(September 27, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:23 pm)chimp3 Wrote: What does that advocate towards your claim that an ocean can be both solid and infinite?

There is nothing more solid than all available space filled with quarks.
All of relative void space-time is created at the inflation of a singularity that has no external border. It is infinite.

http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/quest...e-infinite

In the standard ΛCDM model of the Big Bang, the universe is infinite and has always been such. The Big Bang singularity happened everywhere, in the sense that far back enough in time, the density diverges to infinity at every place.

But this is just a particular model--it assumes that the universe if spatially flat and is globally homogeneous and isotropic. There are extended models in which it is not exactly flat, and so could be finite even if it is still homogeneous and isotropic (if the curvature is even slightly positive). And of course we don't actually know whether it is homogeneous and isotropic at scales much larger than we actually see. Some inflationary models imply that it isn't.

Your claim is that an ocean can be both solid and infinite not mine!

(September 27, 2016 at 11:46 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: There is nothing more solid than all available space filled with quarks.
All of relative void space-time is created at the inflation of a singularity that has no external border. It is infinite.

http://astronomy.stackexchange.com/quest...e-infinite

In the standard ΛCDM model of the Big Bang, the universe is infinite and has always been such. The Big Bang singularity happened everywhere, in the sense that far back enough in time, the density diverges to infinity at every place.

But this is just a particular model--it assumes that the universe if spatially flat and is globally homogeneous and isotropic. There are extended models in which it is not exactly flat, and so could be finite even if it is still homogeneous and isotropic (if the curvature is even slightly positive). And of course we don't actually know whether it is homogeneous and isotropic at scales much larger than we actually see. Some inflationary models imply that it isn't.

Your claim is that an ocean can be both solid and infinite not mine!

An ocean of pure matter, not molecular water.

(September 27, 2016 at 11:51 pm)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:46 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Your claim is that an ocean can be both solid and infinite not mine!

An ocean of pure matter, not molecular water.

So, we are not actually refering to any known ocean ?

(September 27, 2016 at 11:54 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:51 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: An ocean of pure matter, not molecular water.

So, we are not actually refering to any known ocean ?

I said it was analogous from the beginning. The closest similar thing on earth a primitive man would likely be familiar other than magma. There are many creation stories that begin with an infinite watery chaos that is divided in some manner to make the space for creation. The Ain Soph Aur story of ancient Judaism tells of a pre-universal state of the limitless light of God which God then carves out the space for creation within by hiding himself behind 10 veils.

I am always amazed that any particular human could consider themselves important enough to be of any concern to a being supposedly in charge of all of our reality.

Are such people clinging to the biblical view of reality, where everything except the Earth is just a backdrop?

(September 28, 2016 at 12:01 am)Arkilogue Wrote:

(September 27, 2016 at 11:54 pm)chimp3 Wrote: So, we are not actually refering to any known ocean ?

I said it was analogous from the beginning. The closest similar thing on earth a primitive man would likely be familiar other than magma. There are many creation stories that begin with an infinite watery chaos that is divided in some manner to make the space for creation.  The Ain Soph Aur story of ancient Judaism tells of a pre-universal state of the limitless light of God which God then carves out the space for creation within by hiding himself behind 10 veils.

OK. So may be an ocean is a bad analogy since an ocean is not infinite and solid. OK. So, now we are comparing a loving god to either magma or limitless light? I do not see the similarity? If homogeneous what do the 10 veils consist of ?

If our environment is the result of a loving God, what the hell would a non-loving God do to us? It's already made it almost 100% instantly deadly to us, and glued us to a rock, unable to explore the vast expanses without gargantuan effort and resources. Even then we can barely move.