(October 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 7, 2016 at 5:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I think the Christian god is despicable, and look forward to the day faith in him is regarded as an eccentricity.

So, pretty much every day but sunday, right?  

@Ray.  I'm sorry, what was that again...?  I couldn't hear anything over your throbbing desire to profess unto the heathens.  Something something something, "believe in me or I'll do shitty things to you" was it?

"God gave them over" God withdrew his protection that allowed for the actual consequences of their actions to follow.

In the end there is grace, and there is justice.
To those who accept grace, grace is given.
To those who reject grace, only justice remains.

There are only two kinds of people in the end:
Those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "Thy will be done."
If you so desire, you shall justly and willingly go to the godless place.

(October 7, 2016 at 6:53 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote:

ray3400 Wrote:Those who seek truth and find truth, whether by means of skepticism, science, or faith, will ultimately arrive at the Christian God.
And thus, if the atheist was successful in finding truth, they would find the Christian God.
If the scientist was to one day know all, they would come to the conclusion of the Christian God.

Ray, I respect the fact that your beliefs are a core aspect of your identity: they make you individually unique. However, out of curiosity, is it any less valid for a scientist to say the following: those who seek truth and find truth, regardless of whether it be through skepticism, science, or faith,  will ultimately arrive at some scientific fact or observation? Or, put another way, if the theist succeeded in finding truth and became all-knowing, then he would ultimately find science?

That has been my experience and it's inherent in the original function of the word "faith", Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen.

(October 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm)ray3400 Wrote: "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

(October 7, 2016 at 4:12 pm)ray3400 Wrote: [edit]

God exists and is truth itself. Moreover, not just any God, but only God as referred to in the bible.

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Then that's some pretty fucked up truth. Absolutely fucked up.

It's sending me on an all expense paid trip to Vegas? Or Florida?????????????

(October 7, 2016 at 6:31 pm)ray34 Wrote: And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

I thought this last paragraph needed a little more hell fire so I pentecostalized it for you:

"Oh Lord-ah, And just as they did not see fit-uh to acknowledge God-uh any longer, God-uh  gave them over-uh to a depraved mind-uh(Satan You vile serpent, I beseech thee in the name-uh of Jaysus! Hanahabasayuh!), to do those things-uh which are not proper, being-uh filled with all unrighteousness-uh, wickedness-uh, greed-uh, evil-uh(start stomping rythymically across the room , your voice rising in pitch and volume); full of envy-uh, murder-uh, strife, deceit-uh, malice-uh(HahSahNasahNahBaNaiYah!); (Ohhh Jaysus) (Your'e voice cracking and gravely now)they are gossips-uh, slanderers-uh, haters of God-ah, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil-uh, disobedient to parents-uh, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving(Lord Knows they are without love!Have mercy!), unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance-uh of God-uh,(voice now descending to a pitch of reason) that those-uh who practice such things are worthy of death(Ohhh Death!), they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.Praise-uh Jaysus, Whew! Whoa! Whew!(Shake your hands violently)Wheeew! The Spirit is all over me now! Whew! Hanasabasaya! Oh, folks and by the way, Sister Frieda made her delightful green jello salad so make sure you stay over for dinner on the ground! AyyyyMaan!"

(October 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm)ray3400 Wrote:

(October 7, 2016 at 6:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, pretty much every day but sunday, right?  

@Ray.  I'm sorry, what was that again...?  I couldn't hear anything over your throbbing desire to profess unto the heathens.  Something something something, "believe in me or I'll do shitty things to you" was it?

"God gave them over" God withdrew his protection that allowed for the actual consequences of their actions to follow.

In the end there is grace, and there is justice.
To those who accept grace, grace is given.
To those who reject grace, only justice remains.

There are only two kinds of people in the end:
Those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "Thy will be done."
If you so desire, you shall justly and willingly go to the godless place.

Well that was disappointing. All that pretense ends with a simplistic "believe or burn."

(October 7, 2016 at 7:04 pm)ray3400 Wrote: If you so desire, you shall justly and willingly go to the godless place.

I'm already in a godless place. It's called reality. Care to join us?

(October 7, 2016 at 2:37 am)ray3400 Wrote: The christians, in their faith, proclaim "God is real".
The atheists, in their faith, proclaim "God is fake".

There is no faith in disbelief.

Faith is believing in something that is has no evidence to provide for it's existence.

The Christian makes the claim that god is real on faith, according to the above description.

The atheist makes the claim, not that god does not exist, but rather that there is no evidence for god.

Unless, of course, you come across me. The anti-theist, because I will straight up inform you that there is no god.

For fuck's sake, can we just pull the plug on this idiot? No one cares about your canned xtian sentiments you boob. Fuck off.