(June 2, 2011 at 4:20 am)Dean-o Wrote: Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal. Also, look at these liberal cartooons:

So, Strom Thurmond was a liberal... Which is why he eventually switched to the Republican Party in 1964 because he stopped seeing eye-to-eye with the Democratic Party.



Can somebody get this guy into the Gauntlet already?

If there is anything I want people to take away politically from talking with me, it is this:

1) Not all tea-party advocates are Nazis, racists, fascists, etc. The core of the movement is based on Libertarian values concerning freedom of individuals; the media tends to focus solely on the idiots of the movement without actually looking at the other people in it. There are large factions within the tea party who disagree with each other as well; some favour the death penalty, others oppose it; some are pro-choice, others are pro-life.

2) There are Libertarians in all walks of life, whether they are poor, rich, "middle class", white, black, coloured, uneducated, or have 4 PhD's. It isn't fair to stereotype us as a subset of the above, just as it isn't fair to stereotype all Democrats as socialists, or all Republicans as racists.

3) I will speak amicably with anyone who respects my opinions for what they are. I will try (I'm only human) to refrain from using ad hominems or launching into insulting rants about individuals. However, if you start to disrespect my opinions or start comparing me to Nazis, I will refuse point-blank to discuss things with you further. So far this only applies to one individual on the forums, and I hope that people take on the actual message in the OP (rather than bickering about the choice of thread title) and do not lower themselves to this level of childish and petty behaviour.

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(June 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Can somebody get this guy into the Gauntlet already?

He hasn't done anything wrong. Unless you are reading some other post that I seem to have looked over.

(June 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If there is anything I want people to take away politically from talking with me, it is this:

1) Not all tea-party advocates are Nazis, racists, fascists, etc. The core of the movement is based on Libertarian values concerning freedom of individuals; the media tends to focus solely on the idiots of the movement without actually looking at the other people in it. There are large factions within the tea party who disagree with each other as well; some favour the death penalty, others oppose it; some are pro-choice, others are pro-life.

Rand Paul (teaparty hot shot) says that people who attend "radical speeches" should be arrested and deported. So much for freedom of speech to the son of the most popular Libertarian in America..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_3Mfj5JKc

Yet another Teabagger/libertarian aligned politician who cares more for economic issue, and doesnt give a damn about social issues (as long as they dont affect his PERSONAL social freedom... to hell with the masses.) The nice thing about being rich is that social rules dont apply to you. So if you are an economic libertarian, then you can personally afford to be PERSONALLY a social libertarian. THAT is why American Libertarians usually vote Republican and Conservative. So what if abortion is illegal..he has enough money to buy a good doctor to do it privately, unlike us little folk who have been trampled by his libertarian economic agenda.

Quote:If there is anything I want people to take away politically from talking with me, it is this:

1) Not all tea-party advocates are Nazis, racists, fascists, etc. The core of the movement is based on Libertarian values concerning freedom of individuals; the media tends to focus solely on the idiots of the movement without actually looking at the other people in it. There are large factions within the tea party who disagree with each other as well; some favour the death penalty, others oppose it; some are pro-choice, others are pro-life.

Libertarianism is not the core value of the TEA movement in the US. TEA party is not a monophelytic group with any real unifying core value. Instead it is an ad-hoc polyphelytic group of discordant interests unified mainly by the fact that each group within it is more strongly opposed to some specific interest in another polyphelytic group of interests termed "liberal" than it is to the other interests within the TEA movement, and therefore each find the other interests in the TEA group to be less repulsive political allies of convenience than the "liberal" group. Libertaianism is just a publically more seemly red herring for most of TEA party.

Quote: There are Libertarians in all walks of life, whether they are poor, rich, "middle class", white, black, coloured, uneducated, or have 4 PhD's. It isn't fair to stereotype us as a subset of the above, just as it isn't fair to stereotype all Democrats as socialists, or all Republicans as racists.

It may not be fair to the individual in TEA party movement to be branded racist, nor is it realistic for the opposition to overlook the fact that the individual, by joining the TEA party, seemingly conceeds that he finds less objection to racist interests within TEA party than he does to aspects of the liberal polyphelyic group of interests and agendas. For many of those sensitive to racism, opposition to racism ranks above well neign anything else as a litmus test. A TEA party non-racist thus fails the racism test by joining the TEA party and failing to denounce and act with same or greater entheusim against racist elements of TEA party as he does against interests within the liberal polyphelytic group.

(June 2, 2011 at 3:43 pm)Chuck Wrote:

Quote:If there is anything I want people to take away politically from talking with me, it is this:

1) Not all tea-party advocates are Nazis, racists, fascists, etc. The core of the movement is based on Libertarian values concerning freedom of individuals; the media tends to focus solely on the idiots of the movement without actually looking at the other people in it. There are large factions within the tea party who disagree with each other as well; some favour the death penalty, others oppose it; some are pro-choice, others are pro-life.

Libertarianism is not the core value of the TEA movement in the US. TEA party is not a monphelytic group with any real unifying core value. Instead it is an ad-hoc polyphelytic group of discordant interests unified mainly by the fact that each group within it is more strongly opposited to some specific interest in another polyphelytic group of interests termed "liberal" than it is to other interests within the TEA movement, and therefore each find all the other interests in the TEA group to be a less repulsive ally of convenience than the "liberal" group. Libertaianism is just a publically more seemly red herring for most of TEA party.

Quote: There are Libertarians in all walks of life, whether they are poor, rich, "middle class", white, black, coloured, uneducated, or have 4 PhD's. It isn't fair to stereotype us as a subset of the above, just as it isn't fair to stereotype all Democrats as socialists, or all Republicans as racists.

It may not be fair to the individual in TEA party movement to be branded racist, nor is it realistic for the opposition to overlook the fact that the individual, by joining the TEA party, seemingly conceeds that he finds less objection to racist interests within TEA party than he does to aspects of the liberal polyphelyic group of interests and agendas. For many of those sensitive to racism, opposition to racism ranks above well neign anything else as a litmus test. A TEA party non-racist thus fails the racism test by joining the TEA party and failing to denounce and act with same or greater entheusim against racist elements of TEA party as he does against interests within the liberal polyphelytic group.

I wish I can rate you up again, but I can only repost my rate opinion for you because this post was fucking AWESOME!

"The kind of guy who tells it as it is, and has the intelligence to back it up "

Quote:Really? If you have some tiny connection to racists than you are a racist? Than democrats and liberals are all racists. It was democrats that thought slavery should be left to the states. Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal. Also, look at these liberal cartooons:

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/002864.php
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/mh...toon_1.jpg

You are all a bunch of fucking racists according to your own pathetic logic.

Lol... we're not all racists... neither are all conservatives. It's just that most racists are conservatives.

Quote:Also, RepubLibertariaNazis....Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis? None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other. Republicans are far from anything close to libertarians. Republicans are just as much big government idiots as you liberals just in different areas. Like liberals, the think freedom can be taken away by any politician. Libertarians fight for the freedoms and liberties that Neo-cons and liberals are trying to take away. And as for the Nazis that is simply a cop-out. Comparing a group that has nothing to do with Nazis with the Nazis shows a lack of rational argument. Have either Republicans or Libertarians shown an interest in ethnic cleansing?

Lol. Again we say it because it's funny. We're jokingly compressing veiw points we don't agree with to use as an insult. Yes, it makes no sense but neither does Hippieliberalcommie, but it's the same kind of shit.

Quote:In short, if you have promoted any of these pathetic arguments than you are an idiot.

I think you take us too seriously.

(June 2, 2011 at 3:09 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The core of the [Tea Party] movement is based on Libertarian values concerning freedom of individuals;

Question Adrian, and I mean this as a question to understand your views:

Hypothetically, if I were to poll randomly at a Tea Party event on the following three issues:

1. Same gender marriage
2. Abortion rights
3. Prayer in schools

...what kind of results do you speculate we would get? Would we find a socially liberal group? Mixed results? Conservative? Have any polls on social issues been conducted that you know of?

The reason I suspect that we'd find results that indicate a hard lean toward gay-bashing, anti-abortion fundy theocrats is because of the big name speakers whom I've heard about at these Tea Party rallies:

Michelle Bachmann
Dick Armey
Glenn Beck
Sarah Palin

How do you think they would answer the three questions?

*BLAM*

Deist Paladin shoots straight at the heart, and his aim is true!

Can Adrian answer and dodge it in time?!?!?

Tune in next week..same atheist time... same atheist channel.

I've got a big couch we can watch at my place.

(June 2, 2011 at 6:49 pm)SpatiumTempusque Wrote:
I've got a big couch we can watch at my place.

It's a trap, his couch will eat you.