(October 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: So this is where all the athiest come to have there opinions validated, lol.

No, this is where atheists come to get away from brain-dead pompous morons, their imaginary barbarian boy-friends and inane, self-righteous bleating. Thanks for spoiling it, wanker...

(October 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: So this is where all the athiest come to have there opinions validated, lol.

Yes of course, it is true in some sense.
Christians have such a false persecution complex in the west. This makes no sense as they are the majority and symbols and references to Christianity is everywhere. You are constantly reminded that this is a Christian country and that its values should be our laws.... cleverly masqueraded as "social conservatism"... an excuse to impose one's convoluted sense of morals based on theology onto others. 

Atheists are indeed inconvenienced in this country and that is a fact. You have to believe in a God to become an elected official in some states (even though this is a blatant violation of the US constitution) . Prayer in schools, prayer in places of work... doesn't bother me but sure as hell weird and unwanted in a public institution run on tax dollars. Atheists are less trusted than rapists and pedophiles... so obviously being open about one's atheist views is detrimental as a whole. Discrimination is common and complaints are dismissed without much investigation. There are more atheists than Jews in America, but do we have a special interest group? Do politicians say anything good about us or at least pretend to represent our interests? No... what does that tell you?

So yes, it is nice for once to have a community where our views can be discussed without being judged by society. Validation of this nature is hard to come by in America, which is taken for granted by Christian folk.

(October 23, 2016 at 5:08 am)Napoléon Wrote: If religion doesn't need evidence then I don't need religion.

Indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7jHJRSzhM

(October 23, 2016 at 7:37 pm)TheMonster Wrote:

(October 23, 2016 at 4:17 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: So this is where all the athiest come to have there opinions validated, lol.

Yes of course, it is true in some sense.
Christians have such a false persecution complex in the west. This makes no sense as they are the majority and symbols and references to Christianity is everywhere. You are constantly reminded that this is a Christian country and that its values should be our laws.... cleverly masqueraded as "social conservatism"... an excuse to impose one's convoluted sense of morals based on theology onto others. 

Atheists are indeed inconvenienced in this country and that is a fact. You have to believe in a God to become an elected official in some states (even though this is a blatant violation of the US constitution) . Prayer in schools, prayer in places of work... doesn't bother me but sure as hell weird and unwanted in a public institution run on tax dollars. Atheists are less trusted than rapists and pedophiles... so obviously being open about one's atheist views is detrimental as a whole. Discrimination is common and complaints are dismissed without much investigation. There are more atheists than Jews in America, but do we have a special interest group? Do politicians say anything good about us or at least pretend to represent our interests? No... what does that tell you?

So yes, it is nice for once to have a community where our views can be discussed without being judged by society. Validation of this nature is hard to come by in America, which is taken for granted by Christian folk.

Hmm. While i don't disagree that belief in a "God" is the standard of america, i'd hardly say it's Jesus that people look up too. The biblical Jesus anyway, not the strawman jesus to make people feel like they are good people. And i think you guys have been playing the minority card for too long now, athiesm is more than accepted at least here in north Cal.

Also, evolution is taught in schools, that requires more faith to believe in since we've never observed New DNA information being introduced through genetic mutation or any other method. Should be taught in a private school

(October 23, 2016 at 4:57 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Religion survives with all its corruption only because its postures itself as a guide on how to become less greedy and lustful and become a more compassionate person. Its the core. If you think that your living a noble/right/caring life, then what religious doctrine is behind it and especially scientific evidence dont matter at all. Because your living a "perfect life".

In conclusion, blind faith is supported in average sane religious person by noble motives, which legitimize the whole doctrine. And I agree with sane believers, compassion is really painful to accept and "sin" is what keeps me going.

I'm told by ChadWooters that theists struggle with the argument from the problem of evil. I rather suspect it's not an uncommon concern among the religious. I also rather suspect that your one dimensional characterization of the religious is also amiss. Doubt and crises of faith are common themes for the religious. This betrays the supposition that the religious don't concern themselves with the truth of their belief, but only its consequences. Even if they justify their belief on the grounds that it is making them a better person, the theists I've seen on this forum aren't unconcerned with whether or not that general claim is true. Many are just ignorant of the evidence for or against it. I think the drive for virtue is not substantially more important to the average theist than is the truth of their belief, and with that comes a concern for evidence.

(October 23, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 23, 2016 at 4:57 am)purplepurpose Wrote: Religion survives with all its corruption only because its postures itself as a guide on how to become less greedy and lustful and become a more compassionate person. Its the core. If you think that your living a noble/right/caring life, then what religious doctrine is behind it and especially scientific evidence dont matter at all. Because your living a "perfect life".

In conclusion, blind faith is supported in average sane religious person by noble motives, which legitimize the whole doctrine. And I agree with sane believers, compassion is really painful to accept and "sin" is what keeps me going.

I'm told by ChadWooters that theists struggle with the argument from the problem of evil. I rather suspect it's not an uncommon concern among the religious. I also rather suspect that your one dimensional characterization of the religious is also amiss. Doubt and crises of faith are common themes for the religious. This betrays the supposition that the religious don't concern themselves with the truth of their belief, but only its consequences. Even if they justify their belief on the grounds that it is making them a better person, the theists I've seen on this forum aren't unconcerned with whether or not that general claim is true. Many are just ignorant of the evidence for or against it. I think the drive for virtue is not substantially more important to the average theist than is the truth of their belief, and with that comes a concern for evidence.

They shouldn't. At the end of the day, is the law maker responsable for what happens to the law breaker?

Religous people (generaly speaking) fall behind in education because that's not required of them. Different prioreties. Now if i'm speaking just for christianity, it's Love god, and love your neighbor. You can go about these differant ways, i do not have a kind heart, a result of my nurturing i suppose. Hoever i am capable of wisdom. In that area i can serve god and help others in understanding.

Fucking jesus is whatever you want him to be.

(October 23, 2016 at 8:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Fucking jesus is whatever you want him to be.

Awwe you poor thing. You seem like the type of person to find out a persons ip adress and call a hit man on them, lol

(October 23, 2016 at 8:42 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote:

(October 23, 2016 at 8:39 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm told by ChadWooters that theists struggle with the argument from the problem of evil.  I rather suspect it's not an uncommon concern among the religious.  I also rather suspect that your one dimensional characterization of the religious is also amiss.  Doubt and crises of faith are common themes for the religious.  This betrays the supposition that the religious don't concern themselves with the truth of their belief, but only its consequences.  Even if they justify their belief on the grounds that it is making them a better person, the theists I've seen on this forum aren't unconcerned with whether or not that general claim is true.  Many are just ignorant of the evidence for or against it.  I think the drive for virtue is not substantially more important to the average theist than is the truth of their belief, and with that comes a concern for evidence.

They shouldn't. At the end of the day, is the law maker responsable for what happens to the law breaker?

Say what?

(October 23, 2016 at 8:42 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: Religous people (generaly speaking) fall behind in education because that's not required of them. Different prioreties. Now if i'm speaking just for christianity, it's Love god, and love your neighbor. You can go about these differant ways, i do not have a kind heart, a result of my nurturing i suppose. Hoever i am capable of wisdom. In that area i can serve god and help others in understanding.

I rather doubt your assertion that in general religious people are less motivated to educate themselves than non-religious people are. This is the type of theologically motivated assertion which most likely was pulled straight from your ass.

(October 23, 2016 at 8:56 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 23, 2016 at 8:42 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: They shouldn't. At the end of the day, is the law maker responsable for what happens to the law breaker?

Say what?

Yeah, otherwise isn't He just a suggestion maker? In what sense is it 'the law'? What other court of appeal is there to enforce it?