(October 31, 2016 at 2:26 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Except that in the Abrahamics a child is not innocent, they are judged guilty of sin from the moment of birth.

Then by your logic a child that dies goes to hell...


But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 19:14


No, a child IS innocent, they aren't judged guilty from the moment of birth, but rather due to human nature, a child will eventually grow up and transgress the laws of God. So in that way you're destined to fail without Christ.

No one can remain innocent in the current world that we live in; which is why it must be purged.

(October 31, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Then by your logic a child that dies goes to hell...


But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 19:14


No, a child IS innocent, they aren't judged guilty from the moment of birth, but rather due to human nature, a child will eventually grow up and transgress the laws of God. So in that way you're destined to fail without Christ.

No one can remain innocent in the current world that we live in; which is why it must be purged.

I am sure that when Christians finally believe the end times are present there will be many volunteers willing to do some "purging".

(October 31, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(October 31, 2016 at 2:26 pm)Mr Greene Wrote: Except that in the Abrahamics a child is not innocent, they are judged guilty of sin from the moment of birth.

Then by your logic a child that dies goes to hell...


But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 19:14


No, a child IS innocent, they aren't judged guilty from the moment of birth, but rather due to human nature, a child will eventually grow up and transgress the laws of God. So in that way you're destined to fail without Christ.

No one can remain innocent in the current world that we live in; which is why it must be purged.

Every child is judged guilty of the stain of original sin at point of birth, this is the very core of the Abrahamics excuse for existence.
Or are you claiming the 'Stain of original sin' doesn't exist?

(October 31, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(October 31, 2016 at 1:45 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Will free from what?

Free from the will of God.

So if your god does not exist then neither does free will.

Do animals, fish and insects have free will? Or are they all controlled by your god?

(November 1, 2016 at 8:57 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 31, 2016 at 1:53 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Free from the will of God.

So if your god does not exist then neither does free will.

Do animals, fish and insects have free will? Or are they all controlled by your god?

Animals live according to their nature, in other words they live according to how God made them. A pig doesn't try to be a wolf or vice versa, yet somehow a man can announce he's a woman and it's supposed to be accepted as being truth, so much so that their crediting a man (really a woman) with giving birth, plain nonsense.

So the difference between a human male and a human female is the same as the difference between a pig and a wolf?

So what exactly do you make of Sequential hermaphroditism?

Probably better Link this for you...

(November 1, 2016 at 11:11 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 8:57 am)Mathilda Wrote: So if your god does not exist then neither does free will.

Do animals, fish and insects have free will? Or are they all controlled by your god?

Animals live according to their nature, in other words they live according to how God made them. A pig doesn't try to be a wolf or vice versa, yet somehow a man can announce he's a woman and it's supposed to be accepted as being truth, so much so that their crediting a man (really a woman) with giving birth, plain nonsense.

So how come humans don't live according to their nature and how your god made them? Why do they have free will and not animals?

Does a baby have free will? What about a toddler? A fertilised egg? A sperm cell?

What do you mean by an animal's nature? What causes a pig to act like a pig and not a wolf? Its body or its brain?  And if its their brain then are you saying that our own brains don't determine how we act and behave?

(November 1, 2016 at 11:16 am)LostLocke Wrote: So the difference between a human male and a human female is the same as the difference between a pig and a wolf?

I'm saying that each has their own distinct nature, but if that's too confusing for you, I can use an example of a woman who identifies as a cat and according to the society we've created, you can't tell her she's not...

(November 1, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 1, 2016 at 11:16 am)LostLocke Wrote: So the difference between a human male and a human female is the same as the difference between a pig and a wolf?

I'm saying that each has their own distinct nature, but if that's too confusing for you, I can use an example of a woman who identifies as a cat and according to the society we've created, you can't tell her she's not...

I , myself, am a chimp! Mammal, balding primate, chordate, eukaryote! You?