(November 9, 2016 at 12:11 pm)Drich Wrote: There is no blame. Are you supprized and are asking what happened?
In short the majority of voting Americans said we are tried of the way things are going. We want something completely different (and not just change in skin tone for the POTUS) but real change that affects how this nation is governed. The Fact that the media was not accuratly reporting or had no idea of what the MAJORITY of America wanted means they are no longer actually reporting the news but spinning narritive to support an agenda.

(November 9, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: OP, I find the article extremely simplistic and lacking of any fresh perspectives or new ideas.  The question you posed is good enough in theory but I think the way you construct your op sets the tone for the rest of the conversation. I dislike the way you set it up and I don't feel like answering your questions as a result, at least for now.

(November 9, 2016 at 2:18 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You'll notice (if you do any reading of this thread and similar ones) that I'm quite in agreement with nearly all the criticisms that have been leveled at Hillary and the DNC, and have made many of them myself in the past.  So, with all due respect, fuck you for saying that I don't address the points that are being discussed.

I'm just not in the mood for Drich's (or your, for that matter) ridiculous, trolly, insanely rude and childish ways of presenting their ideas.

And good for you, you can recognize an insult when you see one.

(November 9, 2016 at 9:49 am)Whateverist Wrote: I liked this bit in the NY times:  

Ben Wallace\s piece in the NY Times titled "Who Believed in Trump, and Who is to Blame? Wrote:This does not seem to be only a political event. Trump never should have gotten close. That so many Americans who are struggling with money picked Trump must mean that our version of capitalism could use some further adjustments. That so many Americans in places where the economy is on the rise also chose Trump raises the possibility that our leaders promise too much, that we expect that more is possible than really is. That such a proudly amoral and publicly hateful man could become the choice of large majorities of observant Christians suggests some weakness in our religious life and our expressions of morality. That he did not lose more support after his racism and misogyny became well-known suggests how commonplace these resentments must be, between husbands and wives and between neighbors. There was not enough individual decency to make plain Trump’s indecency. We are not so good a people as we thought.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-w...s-to-blame

So who do you blame?  The DNC?  Hillary?

My first inclination is to blame the education system.  How could people not see the false promise of a strong man saying "only I can do it, trust me and don't worry about the details?"  Even more than that, there are a lot of people not doing well economically and rolling the dice on change probably beats betting on slow, incremental improvement to them.  

Or maybe human nature is simply tragic?  Why do we look for a savior anyway?  The trouble with looking for someone better than yourself to rescue you is it still depends on you to recognize the right one.

(November 9, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: What's BP? 

(November 9, 2016 at 2:24 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:

(November 9, 2016 at 2:18 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You'll notice (if you do any reading of this thread and similar ones) that I'm quite in agreement with nearly all the criticisms that have been leveled at Hillary and the DNC, and have made many of them myself in the past.  So, with all due respect, fuck you for saying that I don't address the points that are being discussed.

I'm just not in the mood for Drich's (or your, for that matter) ridiculous, trolly, insanely rude and childish ways of presenting their ideas.

And good for you, you can recognize an insult when you see one.

Good thing your mood doesn't concern me. You leveled an attack at someone for expressing their opinions. I merely reciprocated. As for your impression of me, Drich, or anyone else, that's irrelevant as well. Address the substance of the posts, not the people or their characters. You are setting the tone here yourself. I am merely not swallowing it uncritically.