(November 16, 2016 at 1:20 pm)Drich Wrote:

(November 16, 2016 at 1:01 pm)Opoponax Wrote: Yes, but like the classic turd, there are actually bits of corn to be picked from it. However, I will not pick those technically edible kernels out of the OP for him... okay, maybe I will. 

I think there is a conversation that the left is:

1) In denial about needing to have; and therefore
2) Is not having it. 

But I will leave that to someone else, lest I:

1) Be called a racist
2) Suddenly find myself besieged by others who actually are racists and believe they've found an ally. 

I don't want that sink on me.

typical liberal foolish response...
In fear of what someone else may think... I won't express what I believe to be right.

My biggest concern is not that others will think ill of me; that's fine. My biggest concern is that someone will come along, hijack what I've said, and drag it into the sewer. It's happened many times to me on the internet where I'll try to begin an earnest conversation about this, only to find my words twisted into something resembling a KKK hood by assholes. 

And, in the spirit of giving equal time, lefties do what results in the same thing. There's this knee-jerk reaction to start yelling "Racist!" at anyone who may suggest that the problems of the general black community may not be so much on whitey anymore, and that it hasn't been for quite some time. 

Black Lives Matter doesn't raise the ire of white people because it has so much power. It pisses white people off because the vast majority of us are not racist, yet we all get branded with it. We are given the "for us or against us" option and well, fuck that. 

And the answer, "Now you know how it feels" is horse-shit. Look who just got elected POTUS. That's how it feels. 

That said, institutional racism does exist. One can acknowledge that at the same time as admitting that it's not white people causing black people their problems (for the most part). And that's what the left won't discuss. It won't even admit the possibility that such a phenomenon exists. I think a lot of it is white guilt, which is something I don't feel and never will, and unless one has actively engaged in racist activity, they shouldn't feel it either. 

The second this is this: what conservatives say about leftist academia is true. Having gone back to school later in life, I've seen this firsthand. It's perfectly acceptable for any ethnicity to say shit like "Those are white people problems" or something stupidly similar. You know what, we all have serious problems and concerns. And all of us white folks aren't sitting around lighting $500 cigars with $100 bills.

And when I asked my counselor for a pamphlet on scholarship awards, she looked at me like I was crazy. When I got home and opened up the pamphlet, I saw why. There was nothing in there for me. Sure, if you were a racial minority or female, you had lots of possibilities. Me, the white guy? Nothing. But see, that's okay with me because it wasn't a need, and it shows action on the part of our government to give those who, in the past and in the present, need a helping hand. But if I was 20 years old and it was a need, I'd be fucking furious. And reasonably so. 

My best friend voted for Trump. He described it as the "Biggest 'fuck-you' in American history." He's also gone back to school later in life and he also knows that no matter how well he does or has done, there's no free money for him. 

Now I'm gonna go put on my intellectual armor before returning to this thread.

I read it. Not being black, who am I to say good, bad, or other. Somethings I would agree with at least in part if not whole, others do not make sense to me. 

D, start eating butter flavored Crisco straight from the can. You'll feel better.

Yeah like the getting shot for having a tail light broken or wearing a hoody. That would totally get old.

(November 16, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Opoponax Wrote: Black Lives Matter doesn't raise the ire of white people because it has so much power. It pisses white people off because the vast majority of us are not racist, yet we all get branded with it. We are given the "for us or against us" option and well, fuck that. 

BLM doesn't rise my ire, I'm pretty damned white.  You're describing a sleight that you or "we" or "white people"- but apparently not all of them,  have perceived.

Are you for or against people who are protesting being shot for driving/walking/breathing while black? Not that laundry list of shit -you- wanted to make it about, as the Speaker for Whitey. For or against -that-, that's what BLM is about. I'm sure that answer is for them, with them. You're a decent human being. Yeah?

Yeah, I don't feel blamed or slighted by it at all.


Pro tip: lose the guilty conscience where none is needed.

As another white dude, just chiming in saying I've never felt villainized by BLM either. Or Hillary, or anyone else for that matter.

(November 16, 2016 at 1:27 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: Uh, Aksum, Nubia, The Malian Empire, The Ashanti Empire, Ethiopia, probably more

You do know that all of those nation/states are defunct with the exception of Ethiopia right? Aside from Ethiopia the Ashanti was the next 'most viable' culture which was indeed warrior based culture. Until the brits went in and defeated them forcing them to sign a treaty which was the beginning of the end of their culture.

Violent-warrior cultures are kinda the opposite of what i was asking for. Even in your modern ethopian example it is a nation under civil unrest and turmoil.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ethiopia...ia+turmoil

Is this the modern metropolis BLM is going to build here with it's elimination of prisons and it's own set of laws for black people in the US?

No thanks.

Quote:Are their any modern examples?
A lot of what came before was lost to colonalism, in the same way a lot of Meso-American and Andean cultures were when the Spanish arrived. That doesn't mean they never existed, they just got overrun and destroyed and, yknow, history is written by the victors.

what kind of BS are you trying to sell? every example of a kingdom/soceity you posted had it's 'roots' (pun intended) in the precolonial days!!! Or better yet only existed before colonialism took hold!!

Besides that what does a RECORD OF A MODERN SOCIETY have to do with an ancient record? The question is very 'black and white' Can you point to a modern civilization that people of "S-SA decent" run successfully outside of western culture?

Quote:And as I've said before, African countries have been raped of any natural resources, and had borders placed at the expense of indigenous heritage, which have separated historically allied ethnic groups and forced together groups with historical conflicts.

OM-Glob..
You know your argument may indeed be valid if the internet did not exist, or if you talked only to people who want to only view africa as being a victim laden continent.
Otherwise know:
Africa has a large quantity of natural resources, including diamonds, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum and cocoa beans, but also woods and tropical fruits. Much of its natural resources are undiscovered or barely harnessed.
Natural resources of Africa - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_re..._of_Africa

Quote:Do that, you set up these states to fail.

These states fail for lack of leadership and infighting.
a pattern repeated over and over in one country after another, and now BLM wants to import this winning formula to the US?

Quote:I'm not going to say that everything is the fault of colonialism, there does come a point where people need to take some self-responsibility and drop draconian practices instead of blaming "colonialism" for starting them, but African countries weren't exactly given the best start.

It's like breaking someone's leg and asking them to walk on it.

colonialism has been dead for over 100 years. Africa has the world by the short and curlies in the way of super valuable natural resources, yet no one has tapped them. Again, it's been over 100 years where Africa is left to the Africans, yet Africa is worse off now than under colonial rule.

(November 16, 2016 at 3:21 pm)Drich Wrote: Is this the modern metropolis BLM is going to build here with it's elimination of prisons and it's own set of laws for black people in the US?

Oh, is that what BLM is about?   Now I see why you're all worked up.  I'd be shaking in my bigoted little boots too...if I were you, and that's what BLM was about.  

Quote:what kind of BS are you trying to sell? every example of a kingdom/soceity you posted had it's 'roots' (pun intended) in the precolonial days!!! Or better yet only existed before colonialism took hold!!

Yeah.....colonialism "took hold" of something, alright, lol.

Quote:These states fail for lack of leadership and infighting.
a pattern repeated over and over in one country after another, and now BLM wants to import this winning formula to the US?

Well, ofc, because they're black.  What do you expect?  

Quote:colonialism has been dead for over 100 years. Africa has the world by the short and curlies in the way of super valuable natural resources, yet no one has tapped them. Again, it's been over 100 years where Africa is left to the Africans, yet Africa is worse off now than under colonial rule.

Here here.  I say we load the rowboats and the rounds and go take back the continent!  There are resources to exploit.  By "we" I mean us..not you, you're the wrong shade of lipstick.   You wouldn't know what to do with it.  You don't even know what to do with life, squandering it for jewgod.  Can't even get a proper pantheon let alone a proper culture.  All you can manage is to crib our white awesomeness and suckle at the aryan tit, and you even get that shit wrong most of the time.

(November 16, 2016 at 1:24 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 16, 2016 at 12:31 pm)Divinity Wrote: This topic is a movement.  A bowel movement.

I thought it was a reference to Trump.

A distinction without a difference if ever I saw one.