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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:26 pm
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The liars paradox, Ape.
"This statement is false"
You seem to think that everything is an equivocation of late, Ham. It's like you're trying to cast a spell, lol.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:27 pm
This is how I (expediently) explain solipsism to myself. It's not the actual question of whether or not anyone else is real or who's reality is more real than the other guy's- it's making me aware of the "subjectivity " of experience.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm
False in what sense? Unspecified? Hence the equivocation. That's how the Liar's Paradox works. The vagueness allows people to commit to the fallacy of equivocation.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:28 pm
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(November 17, 2016 at 3:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The liars paradox, Ape.
"This statement is false"
When you say the statement is false what do you mean? What part of the statement isn't true?
Rhythm Wrote:You seem to think that everything is an equivocation of late, Ham. It's like you're trying to cast a spell, lol.
You're thinking of the equivocators.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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False in the usual sense, as in, not true.
Perhaps you should read the entirety of your own cited article?
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm
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(November 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm)Aegon Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 3:04 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: In what sense is it inconsequential ? How is it less so than anything else?
Certain fields of philosophy are more practical to study. For example, political philosophy, as I see it, is a way to try and achieve the best possible society under certain sets of circumstances. Aristotle's Politics deals with this. Political philosophy has the ability to be applied in a practical setting. Even lines of thought like Socrates' discussion on what defines justice is still more practical, because if you are searching for ways to create a just society or to act as justly as possible, you will need to decide what justice is. Things can change depending on the conclusion. This isn't the case with stuff like solipsism. Even if it were true, what can I do in response? How could it impact the way I do things or the way a society does something?
Practicality implies goals. What are your goals ? Are you seeking impact? Which sort? Are you seeking societal change ? Of what kind? Why?
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm
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You're telling me a statement isn't true. It's either true or it isn't. If you look at it as true it appears false and if you look at it as false it appears true but it's still either true or false, dude.
You will notice that it's never true and false at the same time from the same perspective, it's true or false at different times from different perspectives. This is equivocation.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:35 pm
(November 17, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Perhaps you should read the entirety of your own cited article?
The very premise of something being true and false at the same time is unsound.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:37 pm
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(November 17, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: False in the usual sense, as in, not true.
Perhaps you should read the entirety of your own cited article? Exactly. False in the sense that it is because I am telling you it is and you are saying it isn't and now we've actually got a practical question
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(November 17, 2016 at 3:35 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: (November 17, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Perhaps you should read the entirety of your own cited article?
The very premise of something being true and false at the same time is unsound. Yet it's a fact of the world where people disagree on things.
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RE: Is the self all that can be known to exist?
November 17, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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Whether something is true or false is independent of what anyone says. Dialetheism is merely fallacious equivocation as is the Liar Paradox if it is taken completely literally. Appearing true and false at different times from different perspectives =/= actually true and false at the same time from the same perspective. Logical paradoxes do not and cannot violate the LOI and the LNC and nor can anything else. A thing which is not itself is not a thing. A which = not A = not A.
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