I've already signed.  I like a lost cause just like everyone else.

Problem:

democrat party runs a terrible candidate and democrats stay home in droves (10,000,000 fewer than successful election 8 years earlier) on election night and grease the way for the republican candidate to win with fewer votes than unsuccessful republican candidate 4 years earlier received


Solution:

change the constitution

Before I go puke, did I miss anything there ?

Looks like a bunch of participation award era children whinging over having lost to me. Not that change doesn't need to happen in some areas, just seems suspect that this change in particular needs to happen now that Trump is going to assume office. 

But what do I know? 

Karma:

somehow they manage to nuke electoral college, first election afterwards it turns out the dems lose popular vote but would have won electoral college.


Protesters stage actual die-ins and commit suicide en masse, streets run with blood . . . .

(November 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Problem:

democrat party runs a terrible candidate and democrats stay home in droves (10,000,000 fewer than successful election 8 years earlier) on election night and grease the way for the republican candidate to win with fewer votes than unsuccessful republican candidate 4 years earlier received


Solution:

change the constitution

If this was the only incidence of inequity in how each voted is given a certain value, I wouldn't complain. The idea is not to give too much power to any given section of the country, and it is crucial we uphold that. 

But here's the thing, each state gets two Senators, which means that in the Senate, Wyoming, with a population of under 600,000, has as much power as California, a state with almost 39,000,000 and by itself is the sixth largest economy on the planet. They have one Senator for roughly 300,000 people. California has one Senator per almost 19,000,000. 

Also, while Wyoming has just one representative in the House (1 per 580,000), and California has 53, which gives it one representative for about every 735,000 people. 

Again though, it is important that the majority not develop into a tyranny, so I don't really have a problem with that. 

However, in the one national election we have to select the one office that everyone has the right to vote for, it should be a purely popular vote. Each of Wyoming's three electoral votes corresponds to about 178,000 people per. Each of California's electoral vote corresponds to about 709,000 people per. That is fucking ridiculous. In terms of electoral power, it gives Wyoming a relative 3.9 to 1 advantage. Or maybe more accurately, it robs California of around 160 electoral votes (214 minus 55).

When my vote counts for 1/4 of what someone else's does in any other state, that's a load of horse shit. The only equitable solution is that the Presidency should be decided on a straight up popular vote. 

And this doesn't guarantee a Democrat win every time, because instead of being able to essentially ignore the most powerful state in the Union, candidates would actually have to campaign their asses off here too, and therefore Republicans could raise their vote total in California and in New York instead of just ceding those states to the Democrats. And Democrats would have to get to work in Texas and the midwest. 

The idea that they would have to campaign for every voter in the nation sounds pretty damn fair to me.

that's the great compromise there.

wouldn't have a country with out it.

Bleah. I think the electoral college is a good enough compromise with states' rights.

(November 19, 2016 at 4:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Bleah.  I think the electoral college is a good enough compromise with states' rights.

States have their own legislatures, they have constitutiknal guarantees and if push came to shove they have plenty of recourse to the supreme court. The electoral college, the 2 senators per state and the endorsememt of gerrymandering have one simple purpose, the maintenance of the patrician oligarchy.

(November 18, 2016 at 9:36 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: If it's USians only, why am I able to sign it as well?

'USian' is a term I have trademarked and copyrighted. Use it again, and you'll be hearing from my solicitors.

Boru