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Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 29, 2017 at 4:05 am
Bernie is the single most effective politician in Senate or Congress. Why is he treated like gatbage?! Additionally why is the Democratic Party so goddamned thick, they'll throw away provressives like during the election, and opt for a quid pro quo with republicans where they wI'll always be perpetual losers, in exchange for a little piece of the pie??? Get money out of politics and everyone will be on equal footing!
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 29, 2017 at 9:18 am
So far as I can tell the Democratic Party folded its tent and disappeared a long time ago. I'm not sure who it is that will end up leading the rebellion against the Republican / Trump / Christian fundamentalists evil that is sweeping across the nation, but it will not be the Party of Clinton. Sanders could get something started only if he abandons his attempts to influence the Democrats and begins to build a true progressive party. Sure he would split the Democratic party, but who cares? Progressives and Democrats working together where they could; women's rights, civil rights, voting rights, the environment, might build a firewall against the right. And it may be that a new progressive party working to limit the excesses of wall street and capitalism might find some support from the libertarians of the right, a coalition that might prove more effective than a neo-liberal Democratic party funded by Wall Street and war.
In any case, looking to the Democrats for leadership in our current crises is a complete waste of time. They are done and dusted.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 30, 2017 at 3:17 am
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I sure as HELL hope Hillary Clinton stays her nasty money grubbin ass in the woods. I can't even handle a scenario where Trump has a political nemesis to focus his idiotic rants. Especially her. Especially.
I agree. Gotta jump out from under that umbrella Wall Street and the NRA holds over both parties and endure a little rain. Soon enough, the sun will shine. People are sick of money in politics. I like the Wolf-Pac lobbyists who are using money to get money out of politics. Seems like the only way to me.
In the meantime, I will be checking the voting history of every single candidate for office and lobbying my own personal campaign with people I know, to educate and attempt to bridge the rift Americans seem to be in thanks to partisan politics. I really don't understand why people turn on one another when the clear blame shifters are sitting right in front of them, with their hands all the way in the cookie jar..
Additionally I wish the Republican party could split itself aa well. There's the Koch folks, then there's the rest of the Republicans who just don't want government taxing them to death or paying for shit they feel doesn't need to be paid for. I may disagree with them about certain topics, but I respect anyone who puts country over party and feel like we could work together for the better of the people!
Every day that goes by though I feel like a cat in a box on the river, getting farther and farther from home or from anything even remotely familiar..
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 30, 2017 at 3:34 am
People don't idealize Bernie because there is no way to pay for his ideas that is plausible. I voted for him and I would vote for him again, but the Democratic establishment is hanging by a thread against a Republican voting bloc that votes staunchly along party lines. The evangelicals voted for the Russian connected pussy grabber because he would put a conservative in the SCOTUS. Liberals listened to the Russians on Facebook and vilified a perfectly reasonable, if flawed centrist policy wonk and turned her into a "money grabbing" witch.
Splitting the vote means more GOP. Their vote isn't going to split. While liberals and progressives fight over who once voted for a war or against a bill or took money from an investor and how evil their candidate is---and this will happen no matter who the Democrats' nominee is---the GOP will line up and vote for whoever their candidate is, and we will lose.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 10:01 am
(May 29, 2017 at 4:05 am)Luckie Wrote: Bernie is the single most effective politician in Senate or Congress. Why is he treated like gatbage?!
Uh, maybe because he's not really a Democrat? He was an independent, and only ran as Democrat because it's easier to be taken seriously that way.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 11:20 am
He's still an Independent. Along with Angus King he caucuses with the democrats because who is he going to caucus with? The Republicunts? I can't see that. People don't seem to understand how political parties work.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 11:34 am
We're not going to win with the party of Clinton, because they're all bought off. They refuse to get behind progressives, and try to get more independents, because that's what their donors want them to do. It's crazy to keep trying with the same dem party that's lost seats in every part of government over the past eight years or so, so it doesn't really matter if Bernie started his own party and split the vote. If the current party isn't going to enact major progressive reform when it has a democratic president, and a supermajority, then it's just not going to happen at all.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 11:35 am
It literally had the most progressive platform ever in 2016.
Which progressive ideals were missing?
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 11:41 am
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That's the crux of it. Their dive to the middle, at some point, turned into an escalating downward spiral rightward to grab "independants". Meanwhile, it seems that no amount of rightward leaning actually satisfies those on the right, or the "independants". They wouldn't have voted for clinton, for example..even if she'd promised to fuck the poor super hard. Harder than any of those pansy-ass republicans.
That the most progressive platform ever, in 2016, was one that would satisfy the hard right of years past..might be an indication that we've passed the point of no return. Political progressivism, in this country, has been effectively exterminated.
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RE: Why is the Democratic Party against the only person who could save them?
May 31, 2017 at 11:50 am
(May 31, 2017 at 11:35 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It literally had the most progressive platform ever in 2016.
Which progressive ideals were missing?
Which was? I don't even remember what their platform was, besides maintaining the status quo, and platitudes. What did they stand for?
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