(November 24, 2016 at 2:50 pm)LastPoet Wrote: I am bored and troubled by Joker hijacking a good thread with a seemingly respectable theist, the OP, Balaco. He seems very reasonable and its a shame this troll is messing things up. Time to suit in and prosecute. Meh.

Thank you. I really liked this thread until it was derailed by the troll.

(November 24, 2016 at 1:45 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 23, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Alex K Wrote: I don't know anyone by the name of Pascale Wagar, but I suspect the "argument" you give would work even better if

- there was only one possible God
- if belief was a choice that could be made honestly in reaction to a perceived threat

Both conditions are not met, and therefore the argument is completely invalid. But why am I wasting time on you?

I don't choose to be an atheist, I just don't believe in gods.

That is really it in a nutshell.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:47 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I even took the trouble to unpack all the in-quote responses. Please don't do that again.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm)The Joker Wrote: (Argument is flawed there are no pink elephants, haven't seen a real pink elephant on media, zoo.)

Irrelevant - argument from ignorance is not a refutation.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm)The Joker Wrote: (Argument is flawed as we don't know what that "something" and therefore how can we do it?)

Irrelevant - argument from ignorance is not a refutation.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm)The Joker Wrote: (True)


(Act what? And how not existing?)

Irrelevant - argument from ignorance is not a refutation.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm)The Joker Wrote: (Argument is flawed, therefore God does exist.)

Non-sequitur; and no valid objection raised to the argument, therefore argumemt not shown to be flawed, therefore still stands.

(November 24, 2016 at 2:34 pm)The Joker Wrote: (True, but logic can)

Great; you're starting to get it.

If you want to know whether Christianity is true, research it yourself.  You seem intelligent, well not this obviously, as it is only arguments from ignorance.  I'm sure you could find evidence on your own, most everyone else who studies history did.

I see the Troll has still more to say. (Since I have him on ignore, I don't know and don't care what he is saying this time.) But based on peoples remarks to him I totally agree that the Joker's contributions to this thread have devolved into the same mindless blather he brings to every thread. Since this one is of interest to so many of us perhaps the troll could restrict himself to trolling threads he starts himself to avoid honest attempts at discussion.

(November 24, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I see the Troll has still more to say.  (Since I have him on ignore, I don't know and don't care what he is saying this time.)  But based on peoples remarks to him I totally agree that the Joker's contributions to this thread have devolved into the same mindless blather he brings to every thread.  Since this one is of interest to so many of us perhaps the troll could restrict himself to trolling threads he starts himself to avoid honest attempts at discussion.

Most of his work is copy pasta. He can keep us entertained. For a day or two. What really fucks with my mind is going on other threads, derailing good discussion with bullshit. It seems clear to me.

It depends on what you mean by "troll", the word troll is highly subjective in this forum. I usually am encountered with the word troll, whenever an atheist cannot stand up to my irrefutable facts, they use it to run away from me like your doing. You better find a way to stop me or I will just keep crushing every argument from every atheist I can get hold of, depending on my time.

"The Creator is clearly seen," Paul explained to the Romans 1:20. 

Quote:For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Romans 1:20

(November 24, 2016 at 3:20 pm)The Joker Wrote: It depends on what you mean by "troll", the word troll is highly subjective in this forum. I usually am encountered with the word troll, whenever an atheist cannot stand up to my irrefutable facts, they use it to run away from me like your doing. You better find a way to stop me or I will just keep crushing every argument from every atheist I can get hold of, depending on my time.

"The Creator is clearly seen," Paul explained to the Romans 1:20. 

Quote:For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Romans 1:20

But I don't need to be accountable to a creator. I'm accountable to the people in my life and to my own self, and have never felt the need to commit evil in my life.

Tell me, why do you think you need to be held accountable to some nebulous higher power? Are you only good because you think you're being watched?

(November 24, 2016 at 3:20 pm)The Joker Wrote: It depends on what you mean by "troll", the word troll is highly subjective in this forum. I usually am encountered with the word troll, whenever an atheist cannot stand up to my irrefutable facts, they use it to run away from me like your doing. You better find a way to stop me or I will just keep crushing every argument from every atheist I can get hold of, depending on my time.

"The Creator is clearly seen," Paul explained to the Romans 1:20. 

Quote:For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable. Romans 1:20

You could address the OP. To stay on his topic. Not rambling yourself.

Quote:I see the Troll has still more to say.

No.  He just keeps babbling the same stupid shit.

Quote:It depends on what you mean by "troll"

Look in a fucking mirror.

(November 24, 2016 at 3:03 pm)The Joker Wrote: If you want to know whether Christianity is true, research it yourself.  You seem intelligent, well not this obviously, as it is only arguments from ignorance.  I'm sure you could find evidence on your own, most everyone else who studies history did.

I have no interest in xtianity, or any religion. We were discussing the existence of gods - not the same thing at all. We know the fan club exists.