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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:09 am
(November 25, 2016 at 6:58 am)The Joker Wrote: But where is the evidence that morality can evolve? Why is morality there?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:10 am
(November 25, 2016 at 6:58 am)The Joker Wrote: But where is the evidence that morality can evolve? Why is morality there?
You asked this before earlier on this very thread. I answered. You ignored the answer. This is clear evidence that you are clearly not interested in debate but only in spamming us.
(November 23, 2016 at 11:10 am)Mathilda Wrote: (November 23, 2016 at 10:47 am)The Joker Wrote: Give me evidence how morals evolve?
Frans de Waal: Moral behavior in animals
It's a video with lots of footage of animals, who don't worship gods, exhibiting moral behaviour.
The field of Neurophysiology has revealed that we share very similar brain structures with other animals and that this is consistent with how we have evolved. Humans for example have a highly developed neocortex for example which is newer in evolutionary terms than structures like the cerebellum.
You might want to start with the Wikipedia page as an introduction to the vast literature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:13 am
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(November 25, 2016 at 7:03 am)Mathilda Wrote: (November 25, 2016 at 6:44 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: The last bit of joker's you've quoted is a quote mine beloved of creatards because they believe a) it disproves evolution and b) it disproves geological dating. But when you look at the whole of the relevant passage from the original article it says the opposite of what creatards like joker want it to say, as has been shown at http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/m...rt1-2.html (quote#33)
Good find! This shows just how The Joker is literally lying for Jesus. He can't make a valid argument so he has to deceive people in order to try and convince them. The rest of the sentence changes the context deliberately
As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the record, persist for some millions of years virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly - the 'punctuated equilibrium' pattern of Eldredge and Gould."
And the sentence afterwards destroys what the quote miner's argument:
Irrespective of one's view of the biological causes of such a pattern (and there continues to be much debate about this), it leads in practice to description of long-term evolution, or macroevolution, in terms of the differential survival, extinction and proliferation of species.
Joker, you should be utterly ashamed of yourself. You are a disgrace.
This does not convince me, prove me your evolution did it.
(November 25, 2016 at 7:09 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 25, 2016 at 6:58 am)The Joker Wrote: But where is the evidence that morality can evolve? Why is morality there?
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:21 am
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:25 am
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:44 am
(November 25, 2016 at 7:25 am)The Joker Wrote: And why does morality reside in the brain and where is the evidence that the brain evolved?-Prove me your evolution did it.
Read the fucking links.
We know that brain damage can make changes to a person's moral behaviour. This is technically testable, reproducible, observable and falsifiable. There have been examples of this happening, a few of which I have posted.
We can observe common features in brains of people with abnormal morality
A Neural Basis for Sociopathy
Neurological basis for lack of empathy in psychopaths
We know that the brain has evolved.
How has the human brain evolved over the years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_brain
The evidence is overwhelming if you are willing to look at it
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:48 am
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(November 25, 2016 at 7:13 am)The Joker Wrote: This does not convince me, prove me your evolution did it.
Well yeah it is hard for a person like you that lives in his parent's basement and every other week registers here with different names, but for people with lives it is easily understandable why altruism exist. They just look at their friends, because to have a friend you have to do a good deed to him/her and expect to be repaid someday. People that just want to take from other people can't have friends. You can not expect to be friend with somebody if they call you up and ask you to help them movie and you tell them " Fuck you. I would rather play videogames."
So in short people do altruistic things because they expect other people to do the same. Sometimes people are more altruistic toward other people, like give them organs, because they are connected by genes. This is something that Dawkins wrote in "Selfish Gene"
These are signs not of a pure, God-given altruism, but of a form of cooperation that would evolve in small bands of human ancestors when they had to hunt together and live together defending from animals and such.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 7:56 am
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(November 25, 2016 at 7:44 am)Mathilda Wrote: (November 25, 2016 at 7:25 am)The Joker Wrote: And why does morality reside in the brain and where is the evidence that the brain evolved?-Prove me your evolution did it.
Read the fucking links.
We know that brain damage can make changes to a person's moral behaviour. This is technically testable, reproducible, observable and falsifiable. There have been examples of this happening, a few of which I have posted.
We can observe common features in brains of people with abnormal morality
A Neural Basis for Sociopathy
Neurological basis for lack of empathy in psychopaths
We know that the brain has evolved.
How has the human brain evolved over the years?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_brain
The evidence is overwhelming if you are willing to look at it
I went on all the websites and all it gives me is just peoples ideas/stories on how it might have evolved. All we know is that we have a full human brain thats it, there is no evidence for evolution prove me your evolution did it.
(November 25, 2016 at 7:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 25, 2016 at 7:13 am)The Joker Wrote: This does not convince me, prove me your evolution did it.
Well yeah it is hard for a person like you that lives in his parent's basement and every other week registers here with different names, but for people with lives it is easily understandable why altruism exist. They just look at their friends, because to have a friend you have to do a good deed to him/her and expect to be repaid someday. People that just want to take from other people can't have friends. You can not expect to be friend with somebody if they call you up and ask you to help them movie and you tell them "Fuck you. I would rather play videogames."
So in short people do altruistic things because they expect other people to do the same. Sometimes people are more altruistic toward other people, like give them organs, because they are connected by genes. This is something that Dawkins wrote in "Selfish Gene"
These are signs not of a pure, God-given altruism, but of a form of cooperation that would evolve in small bands of human ancestors when they had to hunt together and live together defending from animals and such.
Prove me that they are connected by genes-convince me that your evolution did it.
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 8:01 am
Maybe Joker, you should tell us what 'proof' you would accept. Because as far as I can see, you will just dismiss all evidence without even considering it.
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RE: Theist ➤ Why ☠ Evolution is not Scientific ✔
November 25, 2016 at 8:06 am
(November 25, 2016 at 8:01 am)Mathilda Wrote: Maybe Joker, you should tell us what 'proof' you would accept. Because as far as I can see, you will just dismiss all evidence without even considering it.
Any evidence for evolution Proof, I want proof.
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