The fly in the ointment is that none of the winners, regardless of party, want to suck it up and redistribute to the losers. We hear lip service from the left regarding the 1%, but when they have power, do they tax the hell out the 1%, or 5%, or wherever you want to make the cutoff? Nope. You're kidding yourself if you think that this is just a GOP thing.

It isn't the democrats that are gushing all over themselves to dismantle government to lower taxes on the donor class.

Nope - as noted, it's Democrats who pay lip service to redistribution but never get serious about it, as most of them are rich themselves.

(November 30, 2016 at 1:56 pm)alpha male Wrote: Nope - as noted, it's Democrats who pay lip service to redistribution but never get serious about it, as most of them are rich themselves.

When were democrats supposed to accomplish this redistribution? There have been scant few months in the last 30 years where the Democrats had enough Senators for cloture (60).

When they did have House/Senate majorities they passed Obamacare, by the skin on their balls.  Is that not redistributive enough for you?  Oh right, the GOP is drowning that cat the moment Trump takes office.

(November 30, 2016 at 1:18 pm)alpha male Wrote: Fair? I suppose. Rational and productive? No.

Oh, conservatives threw rational and productive out the window over the last eight years. Their policy of obstructionism and nearly shutting down the government if they didn't get their way was as unproductive as it gets, but I doubt you, or any other conservative, gave a flying fuck about productivity at that point. It's only once your guy gets in do you want to talk about being rational and productive. When a Dem is in office conservatives talk mad shit and spread outright lies to denigrate him, but then a Repub gets in and you're telling liberals to try to be rational and productive and to respect the office of the presidency.

Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

(November 30, 2016 at 2:05 pm)mihoda Wrote: When were democrats supposed to accomplish this redistribution? There have been scant few months in the last 30 years where the Democrats had enough Senators for cloture (60).

When? During those scant few months of course.

Quote:When they did have House/Senate majorities they passed Obamacare, by the skin on their balls.  Is that not redistributive enough for you?

No, it isn't.

Quote:Oh right, the GOP is drowning that cat the moment Trump takes office.

Without 60 senators...

(November 30, 2016 at 3:09 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 2:05 pm)mihoda Wrote: When they did have House/Senate majorities they passed Obamacare, by the skin on their balls.  Is that not redistributive enough for you?

No, it isn't.

Quote:Oh right, the GOP is drowning that cat the moment Trump takes office.

Without 60 senators...

Two points: reconciliation only requires a bare majority. That's the process of defunding the redistributive aspects of the ACA.

Second, I no longer believe this is a legitimate attempt to engage. By any measure the ACA is the most redistributive legislation in decades from either party.

(November 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm)alpha male Wrote: So, traditional manufacturing should shift to countries with lower wages, and the U.S. should educate its populace for higher-tech jobs. That way everyone maximizes their earnings, and prices are at their lowest.

Well, we've got a generation of liberal arts majors who would be perfect for low-paying jobs. Hey... let's ship THEM to China! Win/win.

(November 30, 2016 at 3:14 pm)mihoda Wrote: Two points: reconciliation only requires a bare majority. That's the process of defunding the redistributive aspects of the ACA.

Second, I no longer believe this is a legitimate attempt to engage. By any measure the ACA is the most redistributive legislation in decades from either party.

Remember, my point was that what's needed is redistribution that is acceptable to both parties. Your solution is that the GOP should suck it the fuck up and agree with you. I haven't believed you were legitimately attempting to engage since then.

(November 30, 2016 at 3:15 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(November 30, 2016 at 12:06 pm)alpha male Wrote: So, traditional manufacturing should shift to countries with lower wages, and the U.S. should educate its populace for higher-tech jobs. That way everyone maximizes their earnings, and prices are at their lowest.

Well, we've got a generation of liberal arts majors who would be perfect for low-paying jobs.  Hey... let's ship THEM to China!  Win/win.

You're right. They should get STEM degrees instead... oh wait, there's only a 50 percent employment rate among STEM grads. And let's not even talk about Business degrees... may as well print out "BUZZNESS" on a piece of paper and frame it. Saves quite a bit of dough.