I'm afraid that word "spiritual" is just way over-burdened. You'd have to unpack it and sort a lot of miscellaneous stuff out and have the person you're talking to point out the bit they have in mind just in order to have a conversation about the same thing.

But science isn't the answer to everything important to you. Ones values are not an empirical matter. It is only when one person makes authoritarian claims about what is or should be important to everyone that we have a problem. As that video posted at the end of the first page of this thread shows, "spiritual" has become associated with being smug and condescending about one's own values and grading everyone around you accordingly.

So what is "spiritual" to you, TigerHippy?

good answer,Alex..you're in my book...top of the list..
some questions are difficult to answer..in my glory days..there was NO internet...
nowadays..we're all just a click away from google,wikipedia..we increase our knowledge...
and questions..are answered,mate

(December 12, 2016 at 9:32 am)robvalue Wrote: A true atheist is an atheist.

.. or at least when he isn't knowingly fibbing or pulling some theist's leg?

You seem unwilling to define the term you want to discuss. That makes it hard for us. All standard definitions are just nonsense, unless they are metaphorical. It's all speculation without evidence.

(December 12, 2016 at 9:35 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(December 12, 2016 at 9:32 am)robvalue Wrote: A true atheist is an atheist.

.. or at least when he isn't knowingly fibbing or pulling some theist's leg?

Sure

Well, I'm still an atheist, no matter what I say I am. Just like I'm still a human even if I go around identifying as a giraffe. When something is well-defined, like atheism, there is no "true" version of it.

I guess you're saying an atheist who's being truthful. Haha. I get it now.

(December 12, 2016 at 9:18 am)Vic Wrote:

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bullshit and bollocks to me==it's internet porn about spirituality..ridiculazing it...ohoh..
sorry for typo errors==English is not my mother tongue...

Well, we'll keep calling it bollocks until you tell us what it is, and how you can demonstrate it is real. Lots have tried and none have succeeded so far.

(December 12, 2016 at 9:10 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: "Spiritualism" originated in a con game back in the 1800s, IIRC. Not as entertaining as a tourist voodoo ceremony.

If only they'd had Buckaroo back then. Things could have been so different.

(December 12, 2016 at 9:52 am)robvalue Wrote: Well, we'll keep calling it bollocks until you tell us what it is, and how you can demonstrate it is real. Lots have tried and none have succeeded so far.

Yes, but did you ever think about it?

(December 12, 2016 at 9:12 am)tigerlove Wrote: ahah...did you hit the nail,you think?I bet you have no clue what real hippies are about...
but..that's not my problem,dear friend..oh...this is only internet where folks types messages on an azerty or qwerty keboard,is it not?
the real sense of it all...goes much deeper..anyone into paganism here?i used to know few friends in the U.K..who are into pagan beliefs..

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I have been to a few Rainbow Gatherings, Ashrams, had memberships in a few co-ops. Think I know a little about hippies. Ideologues and politicians play the divide and conquer strategy. Us vs. them. Somehow when the hippies were seeking collective consciousness and a family of mankind they fell for the greatest religious divider of all ... mind vs. body. A division where none exists but keeps the seeker seeking. Nothing against people who want to join hands in a circle a sing "It's a Gift to be Simple" though. The world would be a better place if people laid down the weaponry and got naked in a mud bath together.

well...let me tell you this..for me being spiritual got nothing to do with the( mumbo jumbo internet junk often commercially)about meditation
mantras,helplines,forums,an all other stuff...which finally after all..we never fully grasp in the real sense..
i believe in my dreams...but...i never remember them as such...they come from within myself...not from the bloody internet..
i think my dreams could teach me a lesson..about who i am..?or can become?
i believe in true friendship and love..there's' too much fake feelings around..
blablablabla..I try to be myself..and be a positive thinker...hippies spread love,not silly ideas..
but...where are all the hippies gone??did they become agnostic,pagans,atheists..because they do not fiind the real answers...?
believe me..I am 71..and I am still searching...hippies..dug their own graves..pity..