(December 12, 2016 at 8:49 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(December 12, 2016 at 8:46 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: LOL, what is a sea squirt?!  

Nummy Nummy.

https://shizuokagourmet.com/2009/05/29/s...oyamahoya/

So...there's something straight out of my nightmares.

But hey! 4g protein, 18% DV of iron, and only 20 kcals per 100g serving! [emoji12] That counts for something, right?

(December 12, 2016 at 9:28 am)ukatheist Wrote:

(December 12, 2016 at 7:52 am)paulpablo Wrote: You can in England. I've known a few people who lived like this.
They've had no job ever but had money to have 4 children who have 4 laptops none of the children have laptops they all smoke weed.
I mean that's just one family I knew as an example but I know other people who can easily live off government assistance.

Indeed, in the UK there are some who undoubtedly 'game the system', and view a life on benefits as a viable and legitimate lifestyle choice

BUT

These people are very much a minority, despite the plethora of docusoaps that would have you believe otherwise. Fact is far and away the biggest recipients of gov't aid (besides pensioners) are people in work.

Imo that leads to other problems, as in effect the gov't is subsidising business, as it enables business to get away with keeping wages down as the gov't 'tops them up'.

I hope that as the gov't moves the minimum wage closer to a 'living wage' that burden will start to shift from the gov't (and the taxpayer) to the employer, and the gov't can shift its resources to helping people into work (e.g. expanding free pre-school childcare).

On one other point, I really don't get the 'they are not working and get x, yet I work y hours and only get a little more than x' mindset. For me, financials aside, working helps to give me self respect, and sets an example for my kids. It enables me to meet people from varied cultures and backgrounds. I took a pay cut to be able to work term time only, since my kids are still relatively young, and it is cheaper to cut my hours than pay for childcare, but tbh by the end of the holidays I'm climbing the walls with boredom. I see it as a good thing, a measure of success, that I put more into the system than I get out.

I once earned very little above what I would get on benefits in fact it was probably less since it was before the days of both nmw and working tax credits, but honestly, most people start at the bottom of an organisation, but you pay your dues and usually end up some way above that. I think the 'it's not fair' mindset is more reflective of dissatisfaction at their own circumstances, so they can blame the fact that they have been passed over for promotion, can't be bothered to acquire new skills, simply aren't good enough at their jobs to warrant a raise on those who don't, or can't work.

/rant

Indeed my work is part of my identity I don't do it just for money the satisfaction of helping fix families or at least try gives me a enormous sense of satisfaction even if it's sometimes depressing and harsh

What are we going to do if automation raises the unemployment rate to double digits for decades? I think we need to be preparing to go to a basic minimum income and start accepting that not every able-bodied person without significant mental difficulty is going to be able to be employed. I think that paradigm is starting to become obsolete. I'm not saying it's desirable, or inevitable, but it's likely enough that there's no excuse for it catching us unready.

As much as I dislike it, I think it's an inevitability.

I have exactly 0% faith in our society to do something about it until it's too late and we've already labelled all these people displaced by technology as degenerates or lazy.

I think (or at least hope) that we will see more social enterprise/cooperatives in the future to help fill the gaps.

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(December 10, 2016 at 1:56 pm)Minimalist Wrote: You need to learn some shit instead of regurgitating right-wing talking points.

http://usuncut.com/politics/6-common-wel...believing/

Quote:Myth #1: Welfare encourages people to not work.
One popular right-wing talking point is that there are all these jobs that aren’t being taken because people would rather take a welfare check than get a job. But an overwhelming majority of welfare recipients work—according to a 2014 study by the UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education, 73 percent of welfare recipients are working at least part-time.
When looking at the numbers by industry, half of the nation’s fast food workers and nearly half of America’s home health care providers are receiving public assistance either in the form of food stamps, Medicaid, Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or the Earned Income Tax Credit. 46 percent of childcare workers rely on welfare, as do one-fourth of adjunct college professors.

and so on.

I have an acquaintance who regurgitates this shit, even though he's pretty fucking lazy and collected unemployment when I first met him. It pisses him off to no end if you point out that he's a hypocrite.

(December 12, 2016 at 10:40 am)Rhythm Wrote: We're not really worried that poor people might be eating water cockroaches, are we?

Everyone should try a cockroach.
They are pretty tasty when cooked right.

(December 12, 2016 at 10:40 am)Rhythm Wrote: We're not really worried that poor people might be eating water cockroaches, are we?

"You say that like it's a bad thing..."

I mentioned FLDS breeding colonies earlier.  And while I'll reiterate the % of aid dollars they absorb from the total is minute, nevertheless it is galling in the EXTREME.  And this would not be possible without tax dollars.

The guy in the picture is Warren Jeffs.

(December 12, 2016 at 9:18 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I mentioned FLDS breeding colonies earlier.  And while I'll reiterate the % of aid dollars they absorb from the total is minute, nevertheless it is galling in the EXTREME.  And this would not be possible without tax dollars.

The guy in the picture is Warren Jeffs.

It's like something from a horror movie a really bad horror movie