(January 1, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(December 31, 2016 at 2:10 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hey, I didn't say anything.   Yet.

Way to build the suspense.  Now I can't wait for the hammer to fall.

Ask and ye shall receive.

(January 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: Listen guys and gals. You keep asking me to justify my beliefs, or comment on the beliefs of others. That's not what I came here to do. I would like to hear of your negative experiences with Christians. I would also like if possible you clarify what denomination they come from.

I told you mine. Did you even see it?

(January 1, 2017 at 2:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: Listen guys and gals. You keep asking me to justify my beliefs, or comment on the beliefs of others. That's not what I came here to do. I would like to hear of your negative experiences with Christians. I would also like if possible you clarify what denomination they come from.

I told you mine. Did you even see it?

Yes I did.

I'm getting a sense of the typical denial-avoidance behavior. I tried to get through and failed. Can't say I didn't put in the effort.

There's just not enough room in a book (not even the bible) for all the messed-up things Christianity alone is responsible for today and throughout history. If it's nothing but a chronicle of atrocities with no offer for redemption or a proposal to abandon the institution altogether, I fail to see the point of this venture and I would bet a publisher would too.

(January 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Astonished Wrote: I'm getting a sense of the typical denial-avoidance behavior. I tried to get through and failed. Can't say I didn't put in the effort.

There's just not enough room in a book (not even the bible) for all the messed-up things Christianity alone is responsible for today and throughout history. If it's nothing but a chronicle of atrocities with no offer for redemption or a proposal to abandon the institution altogether, I fail to see the point of this venture and I would bet a publisher would too.

The book is not going to be about every messed up thing any self called Christian has ever done on the face of this planet. And to be honest asking me to do that is a bit absurd. I am writing a book on how personal experiences of atheists and their interactions with Christians. Sorry you don't understand the point of the book.

(January 1, 2017 at 3:52 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm)Astonished Wrote: I'm getting a sense of the typical denial-avoidance behavior. I tried to get through and failed. Can't say I didn't put in the effort.

There's just not enough room in a book (not even the bible) for all the messed-up things Christianity alone is responsible for today and throughout history. If it's nothing but a chronicle of atrocities with no offer for redemption or a proposal to abandon the institution altogether, I fail to see the point of this venture and I would bet a publisher would too.

The book is not going to be about every messed up thing any self called Christian has ever done on the face of this planet. And to be honest asking me to do that is a bit absurd. I am writing a book on how personal experiences of atheists and their interactions with Christians. Sorry you don't understand the point of the book.

Well when I ask questions and you give sarcastic answers or avoid answering them altogether, that'll tend to happen. But it still sounds pretty pointless if there's no underlying conclusion you want to draw from that other than failure with no alternative or solution. I don't see people wanting to read a book that basically tells them 'You guys suck' without a 'but you can be better if you do X, Y and Z according to me.' Unless you're choosing not to disclose the premise of any conclusion, but you could just say so.

Can I also just ask, what is your actual proposed methodology for gathering material for this hypothetical book? I mean, if you're planning on using testimony from this site, how would you verify nobody's lying or exaggerating? Unless this is just an exercise so you can get an idea of what's common and try to focus the subject of the book around less-common forms of abuse.

(January 1, 2017 at 3:58 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 3:52 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote: The book is not going to be about every messed up thing any self called Christian has ever done on the face of this planet. And to be honest asking me to do that is a bit absurd. I am writing a book on how personal experiences of atheists and their interactions with Christians. Sorry you don't understand the point of the book.

Well when I ask questions and you give sarcastic answers or avoid answering them altogether, that'll tend to happen. But it still sounds pretty pointless if there's no underlying conclusion you want to draw from that other than failure with no alternative or solution. I don't see people wanting to read a book that basically tells them 'You guys suck' without a 'but you can be better if you do X, Y and Z according to me.' Unless you're choosing not to disclose the premise of any conclusion, but you could just say so.

Can I also just ask, what is your actual proposed methodology for gathering material for this hypothetical book? I mean, if you're planning on using testimony from this site, how would you verify nobody's lying or exaggerating? Unless this is just an exercise so you can get an idea of what's common and try to focus the subject of the book around less-common forms of abuse.

The only conclusion is that Christians are not following the teachings of Jesus. Members of the Church have gotten exponentially more hostile twards the atheist community. 
Christians need remember that Churches are hospitals not a country club. We are not any better then anyone else, we have no moral authority, no self righteousness and nothing we do puts us over atheists or even satanists for that matter. This is not a science, I am taking people at their word. I am taking the testimony from atheists and taking it to Christians. I am assuming that you guys are not lieing to me and taking your word at face value. In short; I'm trusting you. Atheists always say morality is not dependant on God, lets see your ideological integrity.

(January 1, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Astonished Wrote: My question to the OP, with all due respect and sincerity is, are you seriously ignorant of the realities of what you're asking?

Forcing children to sit through long, boring, sometimes horrifying church sessions.

Telling children they're wicked, dirty, evil, etc.

Hearing them tell you 'You can't change my mind'. The arrogance!

Teaching them that love is conditional. Way to warp their mentality for life.

Managing to be seemingly deluded about how awful people can treat others in the name of their faith. Sickening ignorance.



Seriously, read a book like God is Not Great. Hitchens is much more eloquent than most.

Just wanna point out that this has not been my experience at all, growing up in the faith. Im sorry for/to anyone who has had horrible experiences in the faith as a child. But it is important to point out that there are many who's experiences has been very positive, and it isnt right to group us all into the worst possible scenario. I plan on raising my future children up in the faith as I was, if im lucky enough to have any. and I dont plan on anything that is on that list.

(January 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm)Dragonspride1995 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 2:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I told you mine. Did you even see it?

Yes I did.

Copacetic.

(January 1, 2017 at 4:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Astonished Wrote: My question to the OP, with all due respect and sincerity is, are you seriously ignorant of the realities of what you're asking?

Forcing children to sit through long, boring, sometimes horrifying church sessions.

Telling children they're wicked, dirty, evil, etc.

Hearing them tell you 'You can't change my mind'. The arrogance!

Teaching them that love is conditional. Way to warp their mentality for life.

Managing to be seemingly deluded about how awful people can treat others in the name of their faith. Sickening ignorance.



Seriously, read a book like God is Not Great. Hitchens is much more eloquent than most.

Just wanna point out that this has not been my experience at all, growing up in the faith. Im sorry for/to anyone who has had horrible experiences in the faith as a child. But it is important to point out that there are many who's experiences has been very positive, and it isnt right to group us all into the worst possible scenario. I plan on raising my future children up in the faith as I was, if im lucky enough to have any. and I dont plan on anything that is on that list.

Same.