(January 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Astonished Wrote: I don't recall that but it doesn't surprise me. It's pretty telling about any religion where they forbid you to even question it at all, but you only seem to understand that if you're on the outside looking in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8

(January 1, 2017 at 7:48 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 7:30 pm)Astonished Wrote: I don't recall that but it doesn't surprise me. It's pretty telling about any religion where they forbid you to even question it at all, but you only seem to understand that if you're on the outside looking in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVg2EJvvlF8

I don't really like that song, no wonder.

(January 1, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Probably another good example is the "thou shalt not covet" commandment, or when Jesus says that thinking something bad is equal to doing it.

We can't police our own thoughts. Whatever brief thought pops into our heads is never under our control. Only acting on that thought is, under normal circumstances. So to think we're going to be judged according to something we have no control over is ridiculous.

Of course punishing people for something their parents or ancestors did falls under the same problem.

There's just no way to justify such things. I'm gonna start thinking bad thoughts at whoever believes this is a good system to have, and we'll see how long it takes for them to start feeling pain.

Thoughts that aren't given life through word or deed die unborn. Oh drat, that's abortion. Can't win for losing.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 6:43 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Probably another good example is the "thou shalt not covet" commandment, or when Jesus says that thinking something bad is equal to doing it.

We can't police our own thoughts. Whatever brief thought pops into our heads is never under our control. Only acting on that thought is, under normal circumstances. So to think we're going to be judged according to something we have no control over is ridiculous.

Of course punishing people for something their parents or ancestors did falls under the same problem.

There's just no way to justify such things. I'm gonna start thinking bad thoughts at whoever believes this is a good system to have, and we'll see how long it takes for them to start feeling pain.

Thoughts that aren't given life through word or deed die unborn.  Oh drat, that's abortion. Can't win for losing.

I just recently saw a few videos about the bible's take on abortion. Apparently it's less pro-life than modern Christians realize.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Thoughts that aren't given life through word or deed die unborn.  Oh drat, that's abortion. Can't win for losing.

I just recently saw a few videos about the bible's take on abortion. Apparently it's less pro-life than modern Christians realize.

Yeah, Aron Ra has pointed this out before. The bible is ok with marriage. Jesus was actually anti family, which is ironic when you see modern christian groups claim to be pro family values. He told people that their enemies would be the people living in their household, and he even disrespected his own mother once. Because he was busy talking to his followers. You know what my mom wuld do to me, if I blew her off because I was talking to my friends? The rod would not be spared that day.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:12 pm)Astonished Wrote: I just recently saw a few videos about the bible's take on abortion. Apparently it's less pro-life than modern Christians realize.

Yeah, Aron Ra has pointed this out before. The bible is ok with marriage. Jesus was actually anti family, which is ironic when you see modern christian groups claim to be pro family values. He told people that their enemies would be the people living in their household, and he even disrespected his own mother once. Because he was busy talking to his followers. You know what my mom wuld do to me, if I blew her off because I was talking to my friends? The rod would not be spared that day.

I don't think 'iron' is what I'd put in front of the 'ic'. Something that starts with an 'm' seems more apt. But that's just down to people not bothering to pick up that laundry list of inhumanity and skim through it.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:21 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, Aron Ra has pointed this out before. The bible is ok with marriage. Jesus was actually anti family, which is ironic when you see modern christian groups claim to be pro family values. He told people that their enemies would be the people living in their household, and he even disrespected his own mother once. Because he was busy talking to his followers. You know what my mom would do to me, if I blew her off because I was talking to my friends? The rod would not be spared that day.

I don't think 'iron' is what I'd put in front of the 'ic'. Something that starts with an 'm' seems more apt. But that's just down to people not bothering to pick up that laundry list of inhumanity and skim through it.

I actually try to avoid personal attacks, or being too insulting. Not that I care if anyone else wants to be vitriolic, but personally I try to use kinder words. I say the i word, even if I'm thinking the m word.

(January 1, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Astonished Wrote: I don't think 'iron' is what I'd put in front of the 'ic'. Something that starts with an 'm' seems more apt. But that's just down to people not bothering to pick up that laundry list of inhumanity and skim through it.

I actually try to avoid personal attacks, or being too insulting. Not that I care if anyone else wants to be vitriolic, but personally I try to use kinder words. I say the i word, even if I'm thinking the m word.

Well, it's one thing if you've read it and have gone to great lengths to warp it into something palatable, but if you've ignored it entirely and just taken someone else's word for it, the former would be ironic and the latter would be moronic, as I see it. Does that make sense?

(January 1, 2017 at 8:40 pm)Astonished Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I actually try to avoid personal attacks, or being too insulting. Not that I care if anyone else wants to be vitriolic, but personally I try to use kinder words. I say the i word, even if I'm thinking the m word.

Well, it's one thing if you've read it and have gone to great lengths to warp it into something palatable, but if you've ignored it entirely and just taken someone else's word for it, the former would be ironic and the latter would be moronic, as I see it. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I can agree with that.

(January 1, 2017 at 10:44 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(January 1, 2017 at 8:40 pm)Astonished Wrote: Well, it's one thing if you've read it and have gone to great lengths to warp it into something palatable, but if you've ignored it entirely and just taken someone else's word for it, the former would be ironic and the latter would be moronic, as I see it. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I can agree with that.

I'm glad there's so many variations on irrational beliefs that we can make these fine distinctions.