(January 19, 2017 at 6:34 am)Pulse Wrote: I keep quoting scientists and scientific publications, and you keep posting meme's, real compelling evidence on your part  

Compelling evidence of what? You're the Christian with a mandate to convince others of your gospel. The burden of presenting compelling evidence (proof) is on you. You may have forgotten that, but we have not.

(January 19, 2017 at 1:11 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Which of the Ten Commandments worked its way into the laws of the United States? Thou shalt not kill? In 1918 the so-called anti-lynching bill (H: R. 11279) was introduced to Congress and struck down by the same. Similar laws have been periodically introduced, but to this day there is no federal law against murder.

The first several commandments are just about how to worship your imaginary god.  Nothing resembling profound revelation proceeds that.  

Long before the Ten Commandments humans followed the Instructions of Ptah, the Precepts of Ma’at, the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, Iwa Pele. The writers of  the Ten Commandments had a wealth of human moral instruction to draw on.

Not to mention that "kill" is not exactly well defined in the Bible.

Thou shalt not kill.  Thou ALSO shalt not suffer a witch to live.  False prophets?  Kill them.  Your enemies babies?  You know where this is going.  Do I have to spell it out for you?  People with familiar spirits?  Well OF COURSE you kill them!  You don't think the First Commandment applies to them, do you.  Wait...it's not the first?  SIXTH??!!  And that's just from Exodus 20, NOT the Ten listed in Exodus 34, the ONLY place in the Bible where it mentions both "stone tablets" AND "Ten Commandments"?  That one didn't even make it onto the tablets, but not seething a baby goat in its mother's milk did???  Maybe this should get a rethink...fuck it.  I'm God.  It's perfect.  Ship it!

Your fucking gospel - there is only one, btw - the other three are two fanfics and a re-write of the original have been shown to be allegorical at best and more likely simply made up.

Claiming any sort of 'fact' from them is the height of chutzpah but you are given every opportunity to do so.  So why don't you get on with it if you can?  My guess is that you are simply a bible thumper from fucking Mississippi who oh-so-desperately wants to think that your horseshit is true.

Put up or shut up pal.  Provide actual evidence that your fairy tales are true or don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

(January 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Your fucking gospel - there is only one, btw - the other three are two fanfics and a re-write of the original have been shown to be allegorical at best and more likely simply made up.

Claiming any sort of 'fact' from them is the height of chutzpah but you are given every opportunity to do so.  So why don't you get on with it if you can?  My guess is that you are simply a bible thumper from fucking Mississippi who oh-so-desperately wants to think that your horseshit is true.

Put up or shut up pal.  Provide actual evidence that your fairy tales are true or don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Are you saying the thing with the zombies roaming the streets of J-town didn't happen??!

(January 19, 2017 at 3:09 pm)Alex K Wrote:

(January 19, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Your fucking gospel - there is only one, btw - the other three are two fanfics and a re-write of the original have been shown to be allegorical at best and more likely simply made up.

Claiming any sort of 'fact' from them is the height of chutzpah but you are given every opportunity to do so.  So why don't you get on with it if you can?  My guess is that you are simply a bible thumper from fucking Mississippi who oh-so-desperately wants to think that your horseshit is true.

Put up or shut up pal.  Provide actual evidence that your fairy tales are true or don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Are you saying the thing with the zombies roaming the streets of J-town didn't happen??!

Of course it didn't happen.

Zombies only come out for Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

And Walsall town centre on a Friday night.

(January 19, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Stimbo Wrote: And Walsall town centre on a Friday night.

For a minute, I was excited.

Then I googled Walsall:

Walsall town centre is fast becoming the most popular shopping destination in the Black Country. This is due to the ample supply of free or extremely cheap parking available within the town centre. This is primarily due to two large 24 Hour supermarkets; Tesco and Asda, located on opposite sides of the town centre, not charging for parking all day. Crown Wharf Retail Park remains the most popular area of shopping. It houses the first non-food Asda store named Asda Living as well as popular shops and restaurants such as Outfit, Smyths Toys, Bank, T.K. Maxx, River Island, Next, Peacocks, Starbucks and Nando's.

I was about to scratch Walsall off my list of places to see before I die. But then I read further and found that you have the famed Jerome K. Jerome Museum ( ), as well as the Walsall Leather Museum.

So now I'm back on the fence regarding my travel plans and might still come.

Unless, of course, the leather museum is about saddles and shit and not a fetish joint. If so, I'll stick with New Orleans.

Well, fetish is as fetish does. They did make the Queen's handbags or something, and their leather is the best you can get. Walsall Football Club is known as The Saddlers, if that helps.

(January 19, 2017 at 11:54 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(January 19, 2017 at 4:35 am)Pulse Wrote: Tazzycorn, you seem to be STRETCHING the truth somewhat (Atheism has no rock solid basis for morality so i am not surprised) ok Ill quote more from Dawkins and see if you can by some miracle extract from this fuller quotation that I was wrong and Dawkins in fact believes there is Good and Evil in the Universe

"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”   Richard Dawkins, River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life

Personally, and like Dawkins I speak for just one atheist, I have no use for the word "evil" and prefer the word  "prosocial" to "good".  Goodness and Evil as nouns are nonsense.  Acts which get singled out as 'good' tend to be ones which are good for the wider group.  As a community we naturally appreciate such acts.  But self serving acts which serve only the individual are not 'evil', they're just not socially relevant.  On the long view, even the pursuit of solitude or solitary pleasures can be seen as having some prosocial value if by nurturing the individual that individual is then able to go on to more fully participate in and contribute to the social good.  

But some acts actually subtract from the social good and I have no problem calling them "bad": hitting or even killing others in anger, robbing them, the destruction of property, and so on.  But "evil" is still a reach.  The closest I can come to attaching meaning to that would be anyone who inflicts pain and suffering on others for the pleasure they receive in doing so, like Charles Manson.  But then, he was obviously deranged so possibly all 'evil' is really an offshoot of pathology of one kind or another.  But "evil" as a thing in itself itself exists no where but fiction (e.g., in the bible).

That's at the core of the debate isn't it, why is "prosocial" better than "antisocial"? Why is human survival better than 

extinction? 

As the 2007 atheist suicide-murderer Pekka-Eric Auvinen from Finland said ‘The faster the human race is wiped out

 from this planet, the better … no one should be left alive. No mercy for the scum of earth.’ ‘I am the law, judge and 

executioner. There is no higher authority than me.’ 

Why are the random electron collisions in his brain forming his "logic" 

"bad" and the random electron collisions in your brain forming your "logic" "better"?

So my point is we innately know that there is Good and Evil in this Universe because we have a Conscience which is simply 

irreducible to random electron collisions in our skulls, and it requires the stubbornness and closed-mindedness of a Dawkins to

 deny the obvious.

(January 19, 2017 at 4:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well, fetish is as fetish does. They did make the Queen's handbags or something, and their leather is the best you can get. Walsall Football Club is known as The Saddlers, if that helps.

If they ever ask, I will nominate you for head of local tourism.