(January 30, 2017 at 7:07 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(January 30, 2017 at 6:29 pm)robvalue Wrote: How can anyone think they can't be tricked by a God?

What makes you think you aren't being tricked by your own brain? In naturalism, brain processes are just fortuitous by-products of evolution useful only to the extent that they enhance fitness. Be careful with your reply, rob...you might be tempted into making an argument which, in your own words, isn't evidence.

You just essentially said the same thing.  "God" and "your own brain" are interchangeable.

(January 30, 2017 at 6:21 pm)Asmodee Wrote:

(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not raise it for you nor lower it for me, you're seeing only what you want to see in my statement, the same thing you do with God.
I examine what I receive from God so I can know it's true meaning. Do I question God's trustworthiness, no He has proven himself to me. I've asked this question before, why would an omniscient being find it necessary to lie, that's not logical. So now you see that I have not changed the bar because I have paid particularly close attention with my eyes wide open.

Asmodee Wrote:Oh, so the problem is with me.  You didn't say what you said, you said what you're now saying you said.  How original.

This is your perception and a tired old atheist tactic that shows a lack of intelligence.

Asmodee Wrote:You said you "knew" God had never lied to you because you had never seen evidence that he had.  I said the exact same thing, only mine was something you didn't want to accept.  So lack of evidence is evidence for you, but it doesn't work that way for me.  It was okay for you to use lack of evidence as evidence (a "low bar"), but it means nothing when I do it (a "raised bar").

So you think I should accept any old crap you through on the table, you'll find I do not play that childish game. When one sees that God or people haven't betrayed who they are that is evidence of their honesty. You got a lot to learn about what constitutes evidence.

Asmodee Wrote:Now we can either go back and forth, each of us making you look like a jackass, or you can just accept that yes, you fucked up there.  Because you did.

Your opinion about what I said belongs in the trash can, it has no worth. I was right in what I said, your non-acceptance of what I said only makes it wrong in your little mind.

(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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I read the Bible and talk with Him so my information comes directly from the source. I can't imagine that's why I've gone to the source toxins the answers I could not otherwise obtain.
[b]An omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being needs nothing[/i], God has always had all He ever needed and when One has everything who can HE desire anything. He does have desires for us because He knows what it will mean for us.

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So what is your evidence that such a being could lie only out of necessity?  Maybe she simply desires to lie.  Maybe it's just her nature.  Once again you pretend to know her mind, while pretending we could never know her mind.

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I know of no female god nor was I speaking about one so until you get on the same page I can't see we have anything else to discuss.

GC

When did I ever claim I'm not being tricked by my own brain? I certainly cannot possibly know that.

Also, I'm a methodological naturalist. Not just a naturalist.

(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 28, 2017 at 2:36 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Wait, wait - have we seriously descended to the level of 'intellectual' dishonesty where we're supposed to take the phrase "all is good" to mean "there is no evil"?

Does the phrase "all quiet on the Western Front" mean that there is literally no soundwave propagation whatsoever in the area?

God was referring to the entire universe.

GC

And that changes what, exactly, about what I said?

(January 31, 2017 at 2:13 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 30, 2017 at 6:21 pm)Asmodee Wrote: This is your perception and a tired old atheist tactic that shows a lack of intelligence.


So you think I should accept any old crap you through on the table, you'll find I do not play that childish game. When one sees that God or people haven't betrayed who they are that is evidence of their honesty. You got a lot to learn about what constitutes evidence.


Your opinion about what I said belongs in the trash can, it has no worth. I was right in what I said, your non-acceptance of what I said only makes it wrong in your little mind.

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So what is your evidence that such a being could lie only out of necessity?  Maybe she simply desires to lie.  Maybe it's just her nature.  Once again you pretend to know her mind, while pretending we could never know her mind.

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I know of no female god nor was I speaking about one so until you get on the same page I can't see we have anything else to discuss.

GC

You will just do anything to keep from acknowledging your flawed thinking.  Whatever.

And God is genderless, so "he" and "she" are interchangeable.

(January 31, 2017 at 10:23 am)Asmodee Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 2:13 am)Godschild Wrote: I know of no female god nor was I speaking about one so until you get on the same page I can't see we have anything else to discuss.

GC

You will just do anything to keep from acknowledging your flawed thinking.  Whatever.

And God is genderless, so "he" and "she" are interchangeable.

You can't argue this type of topic with any of the Abrahamic religions.  They have thousands of years worth of denial, circular reasoning, and indoctrination to explain away any logical argument.

Why do good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to innocent?  - Queue some bullshit about god teaching some valuable lesson.

Why does god permit his creations to commit terrible atrocities of pure evil? - Queue some bullshit about free will and/or original sin.  

If that is the case, why should god be praised when his creation does something good? -- Queue some bullshit about praise be to god.

Here's gods fucking valuable lesson.  Life is cheap.

(January 31, 2017 at 9:55 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm)Godschild Wrote: God was referring to the entire universe.

GC

And that changes what, exactly, about what I said?

If you can't see it there's no use in me explaining something that simple.

GC

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(January 31, 2017 at 10:23 am)Asmodee Wrote:

(January 31, 2017 at 2:13 am)Godschild Wrote: I know of no female god nor was I speaking about one so until you get on the same page I can't see we have anything else to discuss.

GC

You will just do anything to keep from acknowledging your flawed thinking.  Whatever.

And God is genderless, so "he" and "she" are interchangeable.

Whatever.

In other words you have nothing, Godschildish.

(February 1, 2017 at 1:09 am)Godschild Wrote: Whatever.

I'm just saying, every Christian I have ever talked to says God is genderless.  God is not a man.  So why would she be upset because I'm not referring to her in the masculine sense?  If anything I'm doing her a favor.  People often forget she has a forgiving, non-smitey side.

At any rate, she's never said anything to me about it.  That being the case, who the fuck are you?

Because it contradicts the mode of address Jesus explicitly instructed us to use, "Our Father". Also it contradicts the primary metaphor for our relationship to Him - the Divine Marriage. He is the Bridegroom; we are the Bride.

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(February 1, 2017 at 12:58 am)Kosh Wrote: Life is cheap.

At least we believe in the possibility of true Justice.