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No ET! Ever?
#81
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 12:58 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: Well it certainly doesn't dismiss aliens but of God really created alien sinners too, the Bible is strangely silent about the alien Jesusy savior

I dont find it strange to have been silent about it. There would be no reason to have talked about life on other planets and how things went down with them. Our duty is here, with the people of this planet.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#82
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 1:17 am)Maelstrom Wrote:
(February 2, 2017 at 1:14 am)Godschild Wrote: We do not believe God would have allowed the  on other worlds to be punished and not know why.

You are basically stating that god cannot learn from his mistakes. Understood.

God doesn't make mistakes, man did.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#83
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 1:14 am)Godschild Wrote: The Bible doesn't specifically state there is no life on other planets. People of that time wouldn't have understood all the lights in the night sky were stars excluding the moon as far as they knew.

Wait - I thought the bible was either god-written or god-inspired? Either way it's not supposed to be limited to what people at the time understood.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#84
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 8:58 am)Stimbo Wrote:
(February 2, 2017 at 1:14 am)Godschild Wrote: The Bible doesn't specifically state there is no life on other planets. People of that time wouldn't have understood all the lights in the night sky were stars excluding the moon as far as they knew.

Wait - I thought the bible was either god-written or god-inspired? Either way it's not supposed to be limited to what people at the time understood.

It's a spiritual book with no limits as such, God allowed man to progress at his own pace when it comes to science and ect.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#85
RE: No ET! Ever?
Electroconvulsive therapy?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#86
RE: No ET! Ever?
God allowed man to progress? Remember his reactions to man receiving the gift of fire? How bout the tower of Babel?

Well at least you accept mankind is making progress on its own...
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#87
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 1, 2017 at 11:33 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be other life out there, and being a theist actually only supports that for me personally. God is much too big to have meant life to form in only one little planet.

Out of curiosity, suppose we were to discover intelligent, sentient alien lifeforms who had their own version of theism, one which did not agree with humanity's different forms of theism.  From a theistic perspective, how could this conflict of beliefs systems be reconciled? In your opinion, would humanity's theists be willing to modify their beliefs accordingly if this alien theism was more plausible than human theism? 

Thanks for your time and attention.











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#88
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Kernel Sohcahtoa Wrote:
(February 1, 2017 at 11:33 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I find it hard to believe there wouldn't be other life out there, and being a theist actually only supports that for me personally. God is much too big to have meant life to form in only one little planet.

Out of curiosity, suppose we were to discover intelligent, sentient alien lifeforms who had their own version of theism, one which did not agree with humanity's different forms of theism.  From a theistic perspective, how could this conflict of beliefs systems be reconciled? In your opinion, would humanity's theists be willing to modify their beliefs accordingly if this alien theism was more plausible than human theism? 

Thanks for your time and attention.

Good question. 

It feels impossible to say, without knowing exactly what their "religion" would entail. But it would certainly throw a wrench into things. At least for me. I would think that God (the one I believe in) would have reached them the same way He reached us. If this was not the case, it would definitely raise some doubts in me. Though at the same time, it would be interesting/telling to know that other forms of intelligent life also have the same instinctive desire for "something greater", if you will.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#89
RE: No ET! Ever?
Well as long as there is a parent/child concept, there'll always be an instinctive desire for a greater parental figure.

But that aside, what is so special or different about aliens having different theistic concepts when we have so many different religions and beliefs on this very planet?
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#90
RE: No ET! Ever?
(February 2, 2017 at 5:08 pm)Aoi Magi Wrote: Well as long as there is a parent/child concept, there'll always be an instinctive desire for a greater parental figure.

But that aside, what is so special or different about aliens having different theistic concepts when we have so many different religions and beliefs on this very planet?

I am not sure about that religion was always dependent on an junenile desire for parent figure amongst adults.

We know some form of shamanism probably predates large settled community by a long time. But the main attraction of shamanistic religions don't occur to be as being the form of an reassuring sky daddy. Instead shamanism seem to primarily offer some promise of explaining phenomenons for which no rational explanation could have otherwise been deduced.

In biology it is often observed that the act of taming or domesticating a specie involves preferentially selecting creatures which fail to mature. Hence the behavior of such animals of dogs, domesticated cattle, horses, etc most closely resemble those of the adolescents of their wild ancestors.

So religion which takes advantage of juvenile desire for sky daddy could well have arisen because as hunter gathered struggled to adopt themselves to larger social groups, and in the processes unconsciously domesticated each other. This process would entire selection of offsprings who emotionally never fully mature. So to make large societies less violent, we paradoxically made our species less mature.
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