Cinjin sorry to hear that things did not go so well with your father. I faced a situation with my dad, not about my christian life, but with the success my half brother was having in his life and compared to him I was always struggling. Dad would even build me up to be someone successful in life so that others would not know I was not coming up to his standards and this hurt alot but I never told him. I keep on living my life as me and became very active in my church, I was very happy with what God was doing in my life and then He called me to be a deacon of His church, boy was I suprised. Well when I was ordained my family was present and I guess that some of the people of my church talked to dad about me because right before he left my home after the service he told me that he loved me and I had not heard that since I was a boy. By the expression on his face I knew that he believed that my success in life was defind differently than my brothers and I knew that he believed that I had the greater success in life, of coarse I give God the credit for this and so did dad. Now the reason I'm saying this is to say do not give up on your dad and I bet he has not written you off, that is not the way a christian man believes, he probably is hurt and very frightened to think that his son may not be in heaven with him, this is only a natural reaction to this situation. Of coarse just like the others that have responded we were not there nor have we been throughout your life so we can only guess as to how things really are. I will be honest I agree with the last quoted statement you have him saying, that is up to the point that "God is my only concern." I hope that was a statement made out of fear and not true belief, if it was from true belief I think I know how he may have arrived at it, what he needs to consider is that when Jesus makes a statement from His divine nature man should not assume that he can also make that same statement. I want go into what Christ said because this is not the time to have an argument started with the others. Again I'm sorry the way things were left between you and your dad, do not give up though, I really believe he loves you, please also understand I'm not trying to defend another christian, because if he meant what he said it's indefensible, God never intended for one man to treat another in such a way especially a father toward a son.

Now THAT must be one fucked up church!

(July 1, 2011 at 1:17 am)Rayaan Wrote: It's must be a little depressing for you to hear your father say those things ... and you can't really get angry at him either ... because you know that he loves you and he wants you to go to Heaven.

Bull-fucking-shit. That is the most *whoosh*-ey platitude I've seen yet to appear in this thread. If his dad loved him like a parent should love their child, then Cinjin's beliefs shouldn't fucking matter. As many mothers and fathers have said, "I don't agree with you but I'll always love you."

One should get very angry at a "father" who is only by blood and a detriment to every great father who ever lived, a splotch on the term itself. Love for your child is one of the strongest bonds formed -- to think one could "write off" one's own child, for something so arbitrary and petty, against the entire history and personality of the child, represents a relationship built not on love, but on control, power and abuse.

(July 1, 2011 at 2:24 am)Godschild Wrote: ...wall of text...

Yes, we get that you come from a crazy place. And also that you're crazy yourself.

(July 3, 2011 at 3:12 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: Bull-fucking-shit. That is the most *whoosh*-ey platitude I've seen yet to appear in this thread. If his dad loved him like a parent should love their child, then Cinjin's beliefs shouldn't fucking matter. As many mothers and fathers have said, "I don't agree with you but I'll always love you."

One should get very angry at a "father" who is only by blood and a detriment to every great father who ever lived, a splotch on the term itself. Love for your child is one of the strongest bonds formed -- to think one could "write off" one's own child, for something so arbitrary and petty, against the entire history and personality of the child, represents a relationship built not on love, but on control, power and abuse.

That makes sense. His father was a little too harsh on him. He should have said something like, "I don't agree with you but I'll always love you," as you mentioned above. So feeling angry at him is not unreasonable.

EDIT: But maybe his father does love him, because not saying that doesn't mean that he doesn't love him.

There are many parents who do force their religious beliefs onto their kids but they still love them.

His father is upset because he thinks that Cinjin will go to Hell which means that he cares about his son. Also, I don't know about the type of relationship that Cinjin and his father had during the past years of knowing each other. Therefore, I wouldn't make the judgement that his father doesn't love him. You can say that his love is weak, though, but not that it's not there at all.

(July 3, 2011 at 7:00 am)Rayaan Wrote: His father is upset because he thinks that Cinjin will go to Hell which means that he cares about his son. Also, I don't know about the type of relationship that Cinjin and his father had during the past years of knowing each other. Therefore, I wouldn't make the judgement that his father doesn't love him. You can say that his love is weak, though, but not that it's not there at all.

Rayaan, I've heard that exact argument over and over. I'm not sure how anyone could ever claim it to be a statement made from love or caring. It's a statement of complete ignorance, and absolute bigotry.

Tell me, in what way, does it differ from:

"You do not agree with me, and therefore deserve eternal and unimaginable punishment."

Wait for it ... wait for it.

(July 3, 2011 at 11:26 am)Epimethean Wrote: Wait for it ... wait for it.

Seriously... what was that for?

Nothing wrong with surprise buttsex, though the women may differ there.

"That" was playing off the rhetorical question Rhythm asked-that's what "that" was.

(July 3, 2011 at 3:31 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Nothing wrong with surprise buttsex, though the women may differ there.

"That" was playing off the rhetorical question Rhythm asked-that's what "that" was.

What if the surprise buttsecks has AIDS?

Seems kind of wishy washy to me.

Emotional blackmail card. What a nasty little toad. If that was my dad, I wouldn't bother with him anymore, it would be a 'don't call anymore' unless you retract that statement.

Cinjin I feel for you. Take solace in that there is no hell and your smarter than you pop.