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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am
I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 10:40 am
People are becoming lost in words, and forgetting who they are.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 10:45 am
(March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
I don't see how a supreme creator would make anything more objective.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 11:26 am
(March 19, 2017 at 10:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: People are becoming lost in words, and forgetting who they are.
You should know.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 11:33 am
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(March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
Exactly this. It also doesn't necessarily become objective if there is some sort of god out there somewhere. From what I've seen, it's a construct of human societies.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 11:35 am
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(March 19, 2017 at 10:45 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: (March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
I don't see how a supreme creator would make anything more objective.
Have you considered a Creator must create from his eternal being for it to be objective? And that he must the eternal standard by which all things are judged?
And that we are in need of his judgment being revealed so that we unite as humans towards what is true and objective?
Who judgement is better then the being who by definition is the perfect judge?
So who can deny oneness of God or deny the need of Messengers or deny the need of books and interpreters of the book or Guide who light and show the way when God is by definition the best of judges and if morality is to exist and we are to have REAL value, exact real measured value, then God has to exist!
Not only that but everything get's it definition and reality with relationship to God, God gives everything it's creation.
The Bible and Quran are full of proofs of God, we just belittle them for no reason but our desire to reach a greatness that we will not reach, a deceptive greatness where we put ourselves in the position of the value we should give to God.
(March 19, 2017 at 11:26 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 19, 2017 at 10:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: People are becoming lost in words, and forgetting who they are.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 2:02 pm
(March 19, 2017 at 9:02 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Unless you're bringing a new slant to the objective/subjective discussion, I'm objectively a bowel of petunias.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 2:17 pm
I love how we humans try to reason objective morality when to the date, we are the only ones able to do that such construction.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 3:44 pm
(March 19, 2017 at 10:45 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: (March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
I don't see how a supreme creator would make anything more objective.
Because then morality would be something real that was actually created and actually exists in the universe, outside of ourselves and our own opinions. Meaning it's not just a human construct.
In Catholicism, we call objective morality "Natural Law." With God being the Law Maker.
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RE: Is morality objective or subjective?
March 19, 2017 at 3:48 pm
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(March 19, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't see how anyone can think morality is objective without believing in some sort of supreme creator.
Why would his opinions be more objective than anyone else's opinions? Though apparently Alasdair believes my definition of objective is off.
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