Yeah, I'd like you to expand on this "Will/Power" concept.

"born of the flesh" only makes we think of Videodrome. Was that a reference to something else?

BTW, hello fellow old fart.

(June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am)Alex K Wrote: As a scientist and educator, I firmly believe that it is crucial that members of our society learn how to think about their place in the world as well as their true origins. The notion that we don't have to educate anyone who hasn't thought about the issue by themselves seems absurd to me.

I also disagree with your somewhat arbitrary criterion what is a nonexistent object. I understand that you got to study a bit of mathematics for your degree and encountered some concepts that seemed alien to you and therefore got the impression that you just then began to work with nonexistent objects, but you've been doing that all the time, and everyone is doing it. Numbers in general. Show me a 1.5 in Nature. Show me a clear-cut cause and effect. We all use tons of idealized abstractions to describe and deal with the world, complex numbers and the axioms of classical geometry are just new to you. They are one more abstract idea we can use to describe reality, e.g. the phase and amplitude of an alternating current. Electrical current is an idealization, it's a bunch of quantum waves whizzing down a crystal, meanwhile the energy is transferred through the electromagnetic field around the wire.

I do not understand the connection to Will, nor what your point is in general.

Should I have a point?
I just present what I have in mind before expecting from some others to share with me what they have in their mind too.

Me too, I seldom understand a new idea the time I hear it. And, not every idea presented to the world has to be included in my personal set of knowledge. So, naturally, I also expect that other human beings could be as I am in this respect in the least.

You even tell me that you don't have a point. Fine, bye.

(June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am)KerimF Wrote:

(June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am)Alex K Wrote: As a scientist and educator, I firmly believe that it is crucial that members of our society learn how to think about their place in the world as well as their true origins. The notion that we don't have to educate anyone who hasn't thought about the issue by themselves seems absurd to me.

I also disagree with your somewhat arbitrary criterion what is a nonexistent object. I understand that you got to study a bit of mathematics for your degree and encountered some concepts that seemed alien to you and therefore got the impression that you just then began to work with nonexistent objects, but you've been doing that all the time, and everyone is doing it. Numbers in general. Show me a 1.5 in Nature. Show me a clear-cut cause and effect. We all use tons of idealized abstractions to describe and deal with the world, complex numbers and the axioms of classical geometry are just new to you. They are one more abstract idea we can use to describe reality, e.g. the phase and amplitude of an alternating current. Electrical current is an idealization, it's a bunch of quantum waves whizzing down a crystal, meanwhile the energy is transferred through the electromagnetic field around the wire.

I do not understand the connection to Will, nor what your point is in general.

Should I have a point?
I just present what I have in mind before expecting from some others to share with me what they have in their mind too.

Me too, I seldom understand a new idea the time I hear it. And, not every idea presented to the world has to be included in my personal set of knowledge. So, naturally, I also expect that other human beings could be as I am in this respect in the least.

 
Yes, if you want to be taken seriously, not only should you have a point, you should have evidence to back up your point.

(June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am)KerimF Wrote:

(June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am)Alex K Wrote: As a scientist and educator, I firmly believe that it is crucial that members of our society learn how to think about their place in the world as well as their true origins. The notion that we don't have to educate anyone who hasn't thought about the issue by themselves seems absurd to me.

I also disagree with your somewhat arbitrary criterion what is a nonexistent object. I understand that you got to study a bit of mathematics for your degree and encountered some concepts that seemed alien to you and therefore got the impression that you just then began to work with nonexistent objects, but you've been doing that all the time, and everyone is doing it. Numbers in general. Show me a 1.5 in Nature. Show me a clear-cut cause and effect. We all use tons of idealized abstractions to describe and deal with the world, complex numbers and the axioms of classical geometry are just new to you. They are one more abstract idea we can use to describe reality, e.g. the phase and amplitude of an alternating current. Electrical current is an idealization, it's a bunch of quantum waves whizzing down a crystal, meanwhile the energy is transferred through the electromagnetic field around the wire.

I do not understand the connection to Will, nor what your point is in general.

Should I have a point?
I just present what I have in mind before expecting from some others to share with me what they have in their mind too.

Me too, I seldom understand a new idea the time I hear it. And, not every idea presented to the world has to be included in my personal set of knowledge. So, naturally, I also expect that other human beings could be as I am in this respect in the least.

Were you making an equivocation between geometric dots and "Will/Power" or not?

(June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 25, 2017 at 7:07 am)KerimF Wrote: To become a professional designer (in electronics) I had to accept notions of non-existing objects.

The geometrical dot is a simple example. By definition, it has no dimensions. But the entire Geometry is based on it; a non-existing object.
Also in geometry, I didn’t mind accepting unreachable objects as well, as the intersection of two parallels at infinity.
And, although the square root of the algebraic number (-1) doesn’t exit, it was given a name/symbol as (i) or (j) in order to use it and simply the solution of many existing real problems.
 
But on the other hand, millions of people on earth live normally without the need to learn, for example, Math and accept (work with) its various definitions of non-existing and unreachable objects.
 
So, obviously, if someone didn’t feel the need to know anything about the Will/Power behind his existence, it is better for him not to think about it in the first place; as all pre-programmed living things do. In fact, the instructions of the Will/Power which is behind the creation of the universe are embedded, since always, in every living cell (as DNA for example). In other words, those who are born of the flesh only can know, by themselves, how to serve the world as they are supposed to do.
 
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Before I go on, I wish I can hear some serious negative comments because such replies help me update my personal set of knowledge, most of the time. Thank you in advance.
 
Kerim

It never ceases to amaze me, and I have been online since 01, to see all the different word salad people come up with.

This made no sense at all. Maybe you should scrap the mental masturbation and pick up a science textbook and learn something real and factual.

Thank you for your care about me.
And I am glad you were able to pick up science textbooks and learn real and factual things more than I did.

(June 25, 2017 at 8:43 am)KerimF Wrote:

(June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am)Brian37 Wrote: It never ceases to amaze me, and I have been online since 01, to see all the different word salad people come up with.

This made no sense at all. Maybe you should scrap the mental masturbation and pick up a science textbook and learn something real and factual.

Thank you for your care about me.
And I am glad you were able to pick up science textbooks and learn real and factual things more than I did.

I cant do a fraction to save my life. But, just like I can drive a car, even though I cant build one from scratch, if you told me cars run on pixy dust, I could safely say "bullshit".

I know nonsense when I see it. 

Language is used to describe objects and or the behavior of objects. 

"1" is an abstract word. But it can be assigned to denote the number of that object. IE "1 apple" "1 car" "1 mouse". 

Nothing you said in your OP made sense. 

"The car is going 55mph"....... 55mph is not the object itself, but the language we use to describe the speed of the car in motion. THAT MAKES SENSE.

Try making sense, people will understand you better.

And if not, the errors will be found and corrected by those same peers.