Why has nobody yet pointed out the distinct possibility that NO lives matter?

I say kill 'em all! (except me and my family, of course) The rest of you fuckers are cockroach food as far as I care!

(June 28, 2017 at 8:05 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Why has nobody yet pointed out the distinct possibility that NO lives matter?

I say kill 'em all! (except me and my family, of course) The rest of you fuckers are cockroach food as far as I care!

I'm pretty sure I did. Admittedly, I let Ice-T say those words, but at least I put that possibility out there.

(June 28, 2017 at 7:39 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 7:17 pm)Tiberius Wrote: The Washington Times is not a good source.

See? I can play this game too.

Alright, but I made points that are not connected with the Washington Times, Washington Post, Snopes, or the crime statistic that I mentioned. When are you going to address that? That was the heart of my response.

Also, did you actually read the study or did you just take Snopes' word for it? Here's what the study said, "When either the violent crime rate or the demographics of a city are accounted for, we find that white police officers are not significantly more likely to kill a black suspect. For the estimates where we know the race of the officer who killed the suspect, the ratio of the rate that blacks are killed by black versus white officers is large — ranging from 3 to 5 times larger." https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=2870189

So, now do you understand why Snopes is garbage?

Your point about black people committing more crime may be valid, however you didn't cite any sources so what's the point of discussing pure speculation on your part when you don't back it up. I would say that if black people are committing more crimes there must be a societal reason, which likely stems from the historic oppression of their race and racist attitudes that still exist today. (that's speculation on my part)

That the killings may be justified ignores the larger issue which is why do many people in general are killed by police in this country. This doesn't just apply to black people but is a problem due in part to police training.

Did you read the snopes article at all? It cites additional studies which disagree with the findings of the CPRC study, or at the very least say the findings are skewed for various reasons. If anything, the multiple studies in this area show that there isn't a conclusive answer to this question.

Not like you need to argue with this shitheel anyway - take it at face value.  Is he responding to your comments or the numbers you cited?  No.  He's tap dancing around them.  His counterclaim could be summarized as follows.

-Even if the cops are putting more lead into black people than a picture of obama at a klan rally, the white and the black officers are both doing it, so there.

Yeah, no shit, that's why it's called institutional racism.  Next.

(June 28, 2017 at 8:39 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Your point about black people committing more crime may be valid, however you didn't cite any sources so what's the point of discussing pure speculation on your part when you don't back it up. I would say that if black people are committing more crimes there must be a societal reason, which likely stems from the historic oppression of their race and racist attitudes that still exist today. (that's speculation on my part)

That the killings may be justified ignores the larger issue which is why do many people in general are killed by police in this country. This doesn't just apply to black people but is a problem due in part to police training.

Did you read the snopes article at all? It cites additional studies which disagree with the findings of the CPRC study, or at the very least say the findings are skewed for various reasons. If anything, the multiple studies in this area show that there isn't a conclusive answer to this question.

Yeah, I strongly suspect that if we broke down black-on-black crimes by income bracket, we'd see the rates drop off significantly the richer you get. Maybe if studies showed that high crime rates for black people stayed constant regardless of income bracket, he'd have a point, but, though I haven't done a huge amount of research on that, what little I've seen simply doesn't show that.

I haven't found any studies doing that just yet (though I suspect someone more alacritous may find that), I did find two interesting stats in a Bureau of Justice Statistics study:

1. Persons in poor households at or below the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) (39.8 per 1,000) had more than double the rate of violent victimization as persons in high-income households (16.9 per 1,000).
2. Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

Really, you would have to be either willfully ignorant or lying out your ass to deny that poverty has a crucial role. Also, it's interesting that, despite his insistence that black people are more disposed to crime, poor white people seem to have higher rates of violence than poor black people.

(June 28, 2017 at 8:39 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(June 28, 2017 at 7:39 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: Alright, but I made points that are not connected with the Washington Times, Washington Post, Snopes, or the crime statistic that I mentioned. When are you going to address that? That was the heart of my response.

Also, did you actually read the study or did you just take Snopes' word for it? Here's what the study said, "When either the violent crime rate or the demographics of a city are accounted for, we find that white police officers are not significantly more likely to kill a black suspect. For the estimates where we know the race of the officer who killed the suspect, the ratio of the rate that blacks are killed by black versus white officers is large — ranging from 3 to 5 times larger." https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=2870189

So, now do you understand why Snopes is garbage?

Your point about black people committing more crime may be valid, however you didn't cite any sources so what's the point of discussing pure speculation on your part when you don't back it up. I would say that if black people are committing more crimes there must be a societal reason, which likely stems from the historic oppression of their race and racist attitudes that still exist today. (that's speculation on my part)

That the killings may be justified ignores the larger issue which is why do many people in general are killed by police in this country. This doesn't just apply to black people but is a problem due in part to police training.

Did you read the snopes article at all? It cites additional studies which disagree with the findings of the CPRC study, or at the very least say the findings are skewed for various reasons. If anything, the multiple studies in this area show that there isn't a conclusive answer to this question.

“Your point about black people committing more crime may be valid”


What do you mean it may be valid? It's common knowledge. And you know it’s valid too which is why you didn’t bother to flatly denying it followed by good counter evidence. Let's cut the liberal snowflake crap.

“however you didn't cite any sources so what's the point of discussing pure speculation on your part when you don't back it up.”

Because we both have access to Google and everyone already knows black people disproportionately commit more crime compared to let’s say, Asians. Everyone knows this already just like everyone knows the Earth isn’t flat. Do you want me to post statistics showing that the Earth isn’t flat too? That being said, here’s a good article about how blacks disproportionately commit more crime than other races: https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/...mmit-crime

“I would say that if black people are committing more crimes there must be a societal reason,”
 
Notice that at this point you’re not trying to refute my point that blacks disproportionately commit more crime compared to other races. Now you’re speculating on why. Great. However, remember that my point was that because blacks commit more crime, they have more interactions with police; and because they have more interactions with police, there’s more chances that there will be an accident. Moreover, these interactions are negative interactions (because crime is going on). Lastly, we need to address whether or not the killing of a black person (or any person) by a police officer is justified or unjustified. What I mean by that is some of these killings are justified because they’re in self-defense or are in defense of another person.

“That the killings may be justified ignores the larger issue which is why do many people in general are killed by police in this country."

You’re going to have to present an argument for the claim that too many people are killed by police. Ideally, no person should be killed by police. But there’s going to be accidents. And there’s going to be circumstances where a police officer will need to protect his or herself. Have you ever thought that maybe the total number of accidental deaths, murders, and justified killings (in self defense) is low and that the media has sensationalized this "police hate blacks" narrative to such a degree that they now have you believing there’s a problem when there isn’t one?

As for the statistic I cited earlier, again, the crux of my point doesn’t stand on it, but I have no good reason to discount the statistic. Somebody tried saying, “Well if black officers are more likely to kill black people than white officers, then this is an example of systematic racism!” Are you kidding me? Think about what you’re saying. Do you think these black officers are thinking “FUCKING NIGGERS!” and murdering their own people, because they’ve been brainwashed by the white man? You must be joking. If I had to guess, it probably has more to do with their experience as police officers. They notice that whites and Asians don’t give them as much shit as blacks do. They know that blacks disproportionately commit more murders than the other races do. In fact, half of homicide in the United States is done by black people, despite them only making up like 13% of the population. They probably know that many black people are raised in a “gangster” or “thug” culture with no father in many cases. They probably know that they’re more likely to be shot by a black person than a white person. Etc. All of these things probably influence a black officer to pull the trigger faster when they’re dealing with a black person. They know reality and they want to go back to their family after their shift has ended.

I don't recall the Jews creating a "Jew Lives Matter" movement.

If anything, "Mexican Lives Matter" should be the real movement.

Heck, why not even have a "Republican Lives Matter" movement?

(June 29, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't recall the Jews creating a "Jew Lives Matter" movement.

If anything, "Mexican Lives Matter" should be the real movement.

Heck, why not even have a "Republican Lives Matter" movement?

1)  We don't have a lot of reports of cops shooting Jewish boys for no reason.
2)  Yeah, that could be a thing.
3)  Republican lives do not matter.  Fuck them.
4)  You're a douche.

(June 29, 2017 at 10:39 pm)bennyboy Wrote: 4)  You're a douche.

Awww, the love is real.

(June 29, 2017 at 10:16 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: I don't recall the Jews creating a "Jew Lives Matter" movement.

If anything, "Mexican Lives Matter" should be the real movement.

Heck, why not even have a "Republican Lives Matter" movement?

I would buy a "Jew lives matter" T shirt, if anyone wants to start it up...