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On the very root of Materialism.
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 6:31 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2011 at 6:36 pm by Violet.)
Before I respond to this... know that I hold exactly zero liking for Descartes.

(July 25, 2011 at 6:34 am)Descartes Wrote: One of the fundemental concepts in Athiesm, or Materialism in general,

Stop: Atheism is not Materialism. A disbelief in the existence or a belief in the nonexistence of gods is not a belief in everything being material. One can easily be a theist and believe that gods are material. One can easily be an atheist and believe firmly in spirits, ghosts, wraiths, bigfoot and other mystic creatures.

Quote:is that life is only matter, leading to another concept : the only means of true knowledge is science, and if any claim does not have a scientific, i.e. material, evidence can not be considered true.

'True' knowledge is utter nonsense NTS.

And while one might not consider a thing scientifically so due to not having extensively tested and peer reviewed this... one can easily consider it so based on their own observations, sometimes regardless of testing. And yes, even materialists.

Quote:This view, however, is self-contradictory. Because it sets a condition for the validity of any calim that it has to be scientific while this condition itself is not scientific.

Logic is, itself, circular. Do you have a problem with logic, or is this arm-waving?

Quote:There is no scientific evidence proving the idea of science as the only true means of human knowledge,

Has mathematics had exceptions yet? Nope. It means that the chance of science, math, logic, whatnot in this universe or at least where we have observed: is



Likely to not be false, on the evidence that it hasn't failed yet.

Quote:It is merely a belief that can be jstified by philosophical propositions, exactly like belief in God!

It is indeed. However "mere" a belief in 'God' is anyway.
(July 25, 2011 at 6:38 am)Rhythm Wrote: Wrong, they're conclusions reached through observation, repitition, and falsification. You don't just believe the plane will fly do you. You don't just believe the pc will fire up..do you?

The fuck is all this "just" believe nonsense you and the OP and everyone else in this seems to be spouting?

You do believe the pc will fire up. That's it. It's not a 'merely believe'. It is not a 'just believe'. Nor is it an 'only believe'. And 'simply believe' is no less ridiculous.

Thank you everyone... have nice day Angry

(pet peeve over now. Where is th-HOLY SHIT: DOUGHNUTS! XD )
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 6:37 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2011 at 6:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Hehehe, theists have a tendency to use "know" and "believe" interchangeably. Your pet peeve ran over my pet peeve. Whadda we do here, exchange insurance information?
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Hehehe, theists have a tendency to use "know" and "believe" interchangeably. Your pet peeve ran over my pet peeve.

That's because there is no difference between knowing a thing and believing a thing. Unless you, like VOID, require knowledge to be 'correct'. In which case we believe a lot of shit and know next to nothing Tiger
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Solipsist..lol.
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 6:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Solipsist..lol.

Existential nihilist*.

I am anything but a solipsist. I happen to have a great deal of faith in intersubjectivity.
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 7:34 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2011 at 7:35 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
(July 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:
(July 25, 2011 at 6:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Solipsist..lol.

Existential nihilist*.

I am anything but a solipsist. I happen to have a great deal of faith in intersubjectivity.


First,let it be known that I have considerable liking and respect for Aerzia;a rather usual, sometimes odd,but never boring member with a fascinating mind.. Cool Shades

Aerzia:I enjoyed your long post, but you lost me with your short one. I understand what I think of as the primitive philosophy of solipism ;it is the infant's (and ostrich's ) concept of reality;EG "If I close my eyes, you can't see me".


BUT I have no idea what you mean by 'intersubjectivity' . would you mind explaining what it means to you?
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 7:39 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2011 at 7:40 pm by Violet.)
Sure Smile

Subjective: Individual viewpoint.

The computer sits in front of me. (Individual)

Intersubjective: A group with a similar enough viewpoint that they could be said to be 'comparable'.

The computer sits in front of me and my friend. The mountain sits in front of the ant and his queen. (Groups)

Objective: Every viewpoint possible. (Group of every individual) (Indeed this last one is warped)
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 7:47 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 7:39 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: Sure Smile

Subjective: Individual viewpoint.

The computer sits in front of me. (Individual)

Intersubjective: A group with a similar enough viewpoint that they could be said to be 'comparable'.

The computer sits in front of me and my friend. The mountain sits in front of the ant and his queen. (Groups)

Objective: Every viewpoint possible. (Group of every individual) (Indeed this last one is warped)


Ah ta.I think I agree. I'll have a bit of a think ; as long as you're not saying' identical'.Thinking
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 7:51 pm
An individual may believe in a monster he knows to be imaginary. Where might he come across such knowledge, perhaps in the observations of the others in his collective?
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RE: On the very root of Materialism.
July 25, 2011 at 7:55 pm
(July 25, 2011 at 7:47 pm)padraic Wrote: Ah ta.I think I agree. I'll have a bit of a think ; as long as you're not saying' identical'.Thinking

Absolutely not 0.o Hell, even clones to the atom are not identical (they vary in location or time of being). Smile

Rhythm Wrote:An individual may believe in a monster he knows to be imaginary. Where might he come across such knowledge, perhaps in the observations of the others in his collective?

Wha??? 0.o No he can't Tongue But the idea of that monster being there sure does scare the small child shitless.

And then I have to clean it up. How rude of the parents! Angry
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