Too go further in

Yes Christians were persecuted but only spastically and never in numbers that would wipe them out let alone scare people into not writing about him . And never was it for believing in Jesus it was for civil disobedience. Hell even if we went with the dodgey evidence for  Nero killing Christian for the fire had nothing to do with talking about Jesus. But essentially attacking Rome.

(July 12, 2017 at 8:03 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Too go further in

Yes Christians were persecuted but only spastically and never in numbers that would wipe them out let alone scare people into not writing about him . And never was it for believing in Jesus it was for civil disobedience. Hell even if we went with the dodgey evidence for  Nero killing Christian for the fire had nothing to do with talking about Jesus. But essentially attacking Rome.

Yeah, and those fucking sporadics with crutches hobbling around the city.

In a compilation of his historical papers called "Hitler, Homer, Bible, Christ" Richard Carrier writes about Ignatius:

Quote:Some scholars argue that the context of the Ignatian letters makes exactly zero historical sense. Ignatius is supposed to have been arrested and sent to Rome on a crime of illegal assembly (as a Christian), and on his journey to court his Roman jailers willingly take him to visit community after community of felonious illegal assemblies, and to meet with them and write letters to them and generally continue to flagrantly commit the capital crime for which he was arrested, in the presence of entire communities of fellow Christians also flagrantly committing that same crime, and in fact actively promoting the commission of that crime across half the Empire, and his Roman jailers don’t mind. Not only do they not report any of this illegal activity, but they even aid and bet it at every step, taking him from church to church, allowing him ready access to his fellow criminals, a regular supply of papyrus and ink, and interfering not one whit. That sure is odd.  Don’t you think?

His point is that xtian writers, attempting to bullshit everyone, pretend that there is some consensus that the Ignatian epistles are regarded as authentic.  Carrier disagrees and this is merely one of a myriad of problems with them.

Put another way, the Ignatius story.....

But min some one would have noticed

Conspiracy theory!!!

Show me the book burnings

In due time, I'll discuss Carrier's observation of how later xtian shits deliberately eliminated portions of ancient manuscripts which failed to mention their fucking godboy.  Interesting what a real scholar can detect that apologetic morons can never see.

(July 25, 2017 at 1:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: In due time, I'll discuss Carrier's observation of how later xtian shits deliberately eliminated portions of ancient manuscripts which failed to mention their fucking godboy.  Interesting what a real scholar can detect that apologetic morons can never see.

As I understand it a large portion of it was apathy . They just ignored there critics or tossed them in the back room to be forgotten . Or wrote over them. Because to them it did matter what the counters to there religion was they had tied there flag to the salvation mast. And they believed the risk was worth the rewards even if it occasionally meant they had to do something underhanded .

(July 25, 2017 at 1:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: In due time, I'll discuss Carrier's observation of how later xtian shits deliberately eliminated portions of ancient manuscripts which failed to mention their fucking godboy.  Interesting what a real scholar can detect that apologetic morons can never see.

You have me curious to see the evidence or foundation for this claim of deliberate elimination.  We'll see what "real scholarship" looks like!

(July 25, 2017 at 7:43 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(July 25, 2017 at 1:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: In due time, I'll discuss Carrier's observation of how later xtian shits deliberately eliminated portions of ancient manuscripts which failed to mention their fucking godboy.  Interesting what a real scholar can detect that apologetic morons can never see.

You have me curious to see the evidence or foundation for this claim of deliberate elimination.  We'll see what "real scholarship" looks like!

Who removed of the entire section of Tacitus Annals covering 29-31 CE?

Quote:You have me curious to see the evidence or foundation for this claim of deliberate elimination.  We'll see what "real scholarship" looks like!

You would not know scholarship if it bit you in the ass. And when it's presented you'll just fire up the apologist  denial generator. scream conspiracy theory, chanting, but someone would have noticed, cooking up baseless fiction, Move the goalpost, complain the source is biased , Or you will go the lazy route and just link us to some apologist site that does it all the above for you.

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