(July 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 3:46 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Verifiable evidence, please.  Multiple witnesses, photo and video for a start.  Proof, or it didn't happen.  We need to eradicate the snake-oil salesmen from our society.

What ancient event is verifiable?

The ones that leave geological or archaeological evidence. Pompeii is a great example.

(July 26, 2017 at 3:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

Yes.

Next question.


( P.S. your claim of a magical sky-daddy is "extraordinary.")

I love you Min, short, sweet, to the point and on point. Steve like Atlass and every other followers of every religion all rightfully reject the claims of all others, besides their own claim, but won't aim the same logic at themselves. 

"Extraordinary= Allah" but Steve wouildn't blindly swallow that argument if it were made by a Muslim and not a Christian.

(July 26, 2017 at 4:13 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your analogy (and everyone else's about Santa or unicorns or whatever) is lacking for the sole reason you made it up. There is no evidence to weigh or consider alternative explanations. It is totally irrelevant and makes no point.

The irony is great with this one.

(July 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm)SteveII Wrote: What ancient event is verifiable?

The ones that leave geological or archaeological evidence. Pompeii is a great example.

So you just admitted that a personal/interpersonal series of events cannot be verified--like the ones discussed at length in the gospels. Interesting. So, why do you demand that they be verified when you admit they cannot be?

(July 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm)SteveII Wrote: What ancient event is verifiable?

The ones that leave geological or archaeological evidence. Pompeii is a great example.

I wouldn't put it like that. Archaeology DOES prove the existence of religious claims, but only a history of those claims being handed down. Archaeology does not however make truth statements about claims of magic and super powers. It merely reports what it finds, including religious claims. 

Popeii's population was full of polytheists at the time of the 79CE eruption, but that would not make their gods real. It merely means we have records of what they believed a the time.

(July 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 3:46 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Verifiable evidence, please.  Multiple witnesses, photo and video for a start.  Proof, or it didn't happen.  We need to eradicate the snake-oil salesmen from our society.

What ancient event is verifiable?

Many. As an archaeologist speciialising in Roman Britain, I can say we have learnt lots.. But I know you will want absolute certainty, that's one thing I can't give you, but one thing you want to me to accept from your spurious claims.

I am happy to admit my studies are tentative, but they are well evidenced and ultimately unimportant.

Your studies are poorly evidenced but apparently world changing.

The ball is in your court, unless you think the minor Roman roads of Britain are the key to humanity's salvation.

(July 26, 2017 at 2:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

Yes. This is as stupid a question as "should I wash my hands after shitting on the toilet?" or "can I eat raw chicken?"

And I'll note the only reason your rhetorically answering the question and then shitting all over the reasons why the answer is yes is because you have absolutely no evidence for your assertion that a specific form of the christian god exists.

(July 26, 2017 at 4:25 pm)SteveII Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 4:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: The ones that leave geological or archaeological evidence. Pompeii is a great example.

So you just admitted that a personal/interpersonal series of events cannot be verified--like the ones discussed at length in the gospels. Interesting. So, why do you demand that they be verified when you admit they cannot be?

Except your claims for your heroic godboy with multitudes of followers in the first century seems to have been completely missed by other writers in the first century.... and the fact that assclown xtian fools made up stories about their godboy in the second century helps you not at all.

Homer asserted that Apollo came down from Mt Olympus shooting arrows at the Greeks outside of Troy.  I imagine you believe that, too, Stevie, as it is written in an old book of mythology therefore, according to your apparent mindset, it must be true.

But it isn't.  And neither is the bullshit about your fucking jesus.

(July 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 2:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?

Yes. This is as stupid a question as "should I wash my hands after shitting on the toilet?" or "can I eat raw chicken?"

And I'll note the only reason your rhetorically answering the question and then shitting all over the reasons why the answer is yes is because you have absolutely no evidence for your assertion that a specific form of the christian god exists.

You are dead wrong, "Should I shit all over the White House"..... We have proof that is happening as you read this. 

(July 26, 2017 at 4:27 pm)JackRussell Wrote:

(July 26, 2017 at 4:17 pm)SteveII Wrote: What ancient event is verifiable?

Many. As an archaeologist speciialising in Roman Britain, I can say we have learnt lots.. But I know you will want absolute certainty, that's one thing I can't give you, but one thing you want to me to accept from your spurious claims.

I am happy to admit my studies are tentative, but they are well evidenced and ultimately unimportant.

Your studies are poorly evidenced but apparently world changing.

The ball is in your court, unless you think the minor Roman roads of Britain are the key to humanity's salvation.

We are not talking about piecing things together from broken pottery. We have dozens of period documents that almost all scholars believe are 99% they way the were written. Nothing to piece together--either it happened or it didn't. Please explain to me what verification is possible in 2017 of any series of specific events in ancient times? Otherwise, it is a case of special pleading.