The Guide in Quran is said to not to be guardian or custodian regarding disbelievers, that is God could have made it that the Guide or Mohammad during his time protects everyone and keeps them safe from misguidance, but it's been destined, one must come to the door of God humbly, one must enter the fortress of God humbly, and that guidance is to be followed with will but humble faith, Satan and his forces, on the other hand, try to intrude in every step and offer to protect you, and offer delusionary grandeur, but Quran says "O you who believe, take care of yourselves" and says in that regard the one who misguides cannot misguide them if they do so. And indeed there is no Guide for who God who misguides despite from another angle, there is a Guide for every people. The witness does call people to God even when they run away, but despite his ability to do so, he doesn't use his power and force faith on to people, he doesn't force them to submit. He waits us to come to him and calls us to God while the dark forces offer to teach us magic and protect us by it, their promises are delusionary and lies, while God's chosen ones are a barrier against dark forces, and they are God's Name which is the cure out of the misguided confusion, and they are the navigators to the justice world people must come to and we are to be part of God's plan through seeking a means to him and by that means and connection, striving in his way and fulfilling the desire of God's appointed King on earth. And indeed the help of God is promised through the Master and Helper appointed by God, but those who hate the truth of God's light will have no helper in this world and the next. Everyone can talk deep none-sense about the unseen from a far place, but who will you turn to and trust other than the family of the reminder and God's chosen Navigators and appointed Leaders who are meant to lead humanity while others leadership and authority is not meant for them to take with respect to religion.

(September 25, 2017 at 9:31 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 25, 2017 at 9:12 am)pocaracas Wrote: And I'm not sure what that has to with "the observed realm is attractive to the eye", but oh well...

Curiosity is what propels mankind towards the cosmos. We do not know, but we want to know. We want to know everything that there is.
Some of us fear the unknown, some want to keep it unknown.... and some want to push the barrier of the unknown as far away as possible.
Until we know for sure, many will speculate on what will be found. If little green men, or tall grey ones... we'll see if any at all... or maybe mankind will never find out for sure... we don't know... but we'll never know, if we don't keep pushing.

The "realm" is defined to be:

Quote:realm
rɛlm/
noun
Lawarchaicliterary
noun: realm; plural noun: realms

1. a kingdom.
   "the defence of the realm"
   synonyms:
   kingdom, sovereign state, monarchy; More
   empire, principality, palatinate, duchy;
   country, land, domain, dominion, nation, province
   "his prime concern was to promote peace in the realm"
   
   
   • a field or domain of activity or interest.
     "the realm of applied chemistry"
     synonyms:
     domain, sphere, area, field, department, arena; More
     world, region, province, territory, zone, orbit
     "the realm of academic research"
     
     
     
   • Zoology
     a primary biogeographical division of the earth's surface.
     "this zoogeographical realm includes Africa south of the Atlas Mountains"
     

So it's quite obvious from the context that I was talking about number 2: you can say "the observed region-the observed world- the observed zone...etc".

Yep; that curiosity is the source of my post: where does it come from? What sparked it in our brains in the first place?
There are other unknowns that nobody wants to discover at all. That's why, "boring" exists as a word.

Space exploration requires effort, resources, sacrifice, and sometimes nothing is even discovered.
But since the days of Babel and Ancient Egyptian, rumors of a "God" or "Gods" existed, astronomy was active all the time, pick a civilization randomly, and you will always see an interest in space.

Curiosity killed the cat, so say the ancient folk.
Curiosity is not a human trait.

And the curiosity towards space should stem from the observation that it moves relative to us, but moves periodically.

(September 26, 2017 at 9:01 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

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The Guide in Quran is said to not to be guardian or custodian regarding disbelievers, that is God could have made it that the Guide or Mohammad during his time protects everyone and keeps them safe from misguidance, but it's been destined, one must come to the door of God humbly, one must enter the fortress of God humbly, and that guidance is to be followed with will but humble faith, Satan and his forces, on the other hand, try to intrude in every step and offer to protect you, and offer delusionary grandeur, but Quran says "O you who believe, take care of yourselves" and says in that regard the one who misguides cannot misguide them if they do so. And indeed there is no Guide for who God who misguides despite from another angle, there is a Guide for every people. The witness does call people to God even when they run away, but despite his ability to do so, he doesn't use his power and force faith on to people, he doesn't force them to submit. He waits us to come to him and calls us to God while the dark forces offer to teach us magic and protect us by it, their promises are delusionary and lies, while God's chosen ones are a barrier against dark forces, and they are God's Name which is the cure out of the misguided confusion, and they are the navigators to the justice world people must come to and we are to be part of God's plan through seeking a means to him and by that means and connection, striving in his way and fulfilling the desire of God's appointed King on earth. And indeed the help of God is promised through the Master and Helper appointed by God, but those who hate the truth of God's light will have no helper in this world and the next. Everyone can talk deep none-sense about the unseen from a far place, but who will you turn to and trust other than the family of the reminder and God's chosen Navigators and appointed Leaders who are meant to lead humanity while others leadership and authority is not meant for them to take with respect to religion.

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What a load of gibberish drivel. What, you think that if you write the name of your imaginary friend enough times, we'll say "wow, he's right!".  That's hilarious.  Now, it's possible that you live in an environment where EVERYONE says the word "gawd" two times in every sentence.  So you really don't know how that sounds to people who are convinced that no deities, no spirits, no ghosts, no supernatural anything exists.  You sound like this to me:  "Believe me, the great WooBah the purple unicorn of grace, bless his holy name, has a plan for every human.  But you must study WooBah's sacred texts!  You must come to WooBah with an open heart, seeking him properly!  For only the ones who open their heart sincerely will ever feel the great WooBah's presence, and know that they will be welcomed into his stables after death!"

Nope. 

You can type all the shit about God you want, I suppose, but it's all a ridiculous waste of your time.  Because, obviously, first, you have to PROVE that your imaginary friend exists.  Typing God this God that God wants just reeks of desperation and a desire to reinforce your own delusions.

Why Zainab cried:

The hate towards the truth in this age, is such that Imam Mahdi would be killed and abandoned, just as the Quran is mutilated and cut to pieces as if no flow by Muslims who follow the worse of them and attribute them purity with no proof from God. And Yaqoub cried for Yusuf because Yusuf is of the signs of God and ways to God and means to God, and love is the path to seeing value and it's negative as it is, and he knew from God and exceeded in that knowledge which resulted in his grief over that of the people which they were deprived of the special knowledge that came with his intense sadness. Zainab cried because she saw it all, the blood of all Prophets and their followers killed by the league of Jinn and Humans, the league of sorcerers and deceivers, she understood Quran, and understood that this was it. This was the last chance for Africa to be not starving today in our time. This was the last chance for diseases to be all cured and corruption in the earth subdued in the 21st century, today our time. She saw the darkness approaching, the deceivers ruling, the bombs, the chaos, warned about in Quran "If you do not do it, there will be a great tribulation and corruption in the earth." She saw the innovations that the cowards would follow in the name of following Ahlulbayt (as) or remembering God or following Quran and Sunnah and that Islam as what it was revealed as guidance to humanity, was going to be corrupted. She knew the pattern well, how the dark magic is imbued on the hearts of humanity regarding the blessed clear books of God, and how the clearest of wisdom and signs become ambiguous in the hearts with propaganda coupled with sorcery, and how when those who speak the truth are killed, falsehood rules. She saw Imam Mahdi, lonely for centuries, that while the Imams were the name of God by which God would release the constraints on Mohammad's heart, and reliever his burden, she saw it, that just like Aaron and his family were a means for that to occur regarding Moses's constraint and knot on his tongue, the ignorance was going to intensify, and the truth become even more hidden despite the help of God. So imagine the pain of Imam Mahdi, image the pain of the one who is not niggardly regarding the unseen but generous like the Messenger and wants to share light and embue humanity with wisdom, and navigate them to the just world that was always meant to be. Imagine the pain he feels while people attributed falsehood to his family that his predecessors. And imagine how he feels when people use his name to neglect the Quran and claim to be his proofs, while Quran and Sunnah and reason forbid leadership and succession and authority except for his chosen ones. People are sastified with falsehood so why need the truth? What can the truth and it's Guide do for humanity right?

The problem arises when the guide provides not truth, but falsehood.
When the truth is not verifiable, it is indistinguishable from falsehood.
And all the "truth" in the Quran is unverifiable, isn't it?... last prophet and all...

Besides, why not rely on a much older and wiser guide?

(September 30, 2017 at 8:45 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

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Why Zainab cried:

The hate towards the truth in this age, is such that Imam Mahdi would be killed and abandoned, just as the Quran is mutilated and cut to pieces as if no flow by Muslims who follow the worse of them and attribute them purity with no proof from God. And Yaqoub cried for Yusuf because Yusuf is of the signs of God and ways to God and means to God, and love is the path to seeing value and it's negative as it is, and he knew from God and exceeded in that knowledge which resulted in his grief over that of the people which they were deprived of the special knowledge that came with his intense sadness. Zainab cried because she saw it all, the blood of all Prophets and their followers killed by the league of Jinn and Humans, the league of sorcerers and deceivers, she understood Quran, and understood that this was it. This was the last chance for Africa to be not starving today in our time. This was the last chance for diseases to be all cured and corruption in the earth subdued in the 21st century, today our time. She saw the darkness approaching, the deceivers ruling, the bombs, the chaos, warned about in Quran "If you do not do it, there will be a great tribulation and corruption in the earth." She saw the innovations that the cowards would follow in the name of following Ahlulbayt (as) or remembering God or following Quran and Sunnah and that Islam as what it was revealed as guidance to humanity, was going to be corrupted. She knew the pattern well, how the dark magic is imbued on the hearts of humanity regarding the blessed clear books of God, and how the clearest of wisdom and signs become ambiguous in the hearts with propaganda coupled with sorcery, and how when those who speak the truth are killed, falsehood rules. She saw Imam Mahdi, lonely for centuries, that while the Imams were the name of God by which God would release the constraints on Mohammad's heart, and reliever his burden, she saw it, that just like Aaron and his family were a means for that to occur regarding Moses's constraint and knot on his tongue, the ignorance was going to intensify, and the truth become even more hidden despite the help of God. So imagine the pain of Imam Mahdi, image the pain of the one who is not niggardly regarding the unseen but generous like the Messenger and wants to share light and embue humanity with wisdom, and navigate them to the just world that was always meant to be. Imagine the pain he feels while people attributed falsehood to his family that his predecessors. And imagine how he feels when people use his name to neglect the Quran and claim to be his proofs, while Quran and Sunnah and reason forbid leadership and succession and authority except for his chosen ones. People are sastified with falsehood so why need the truth? What can the truth and it's Guide do for humanity right?

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Why should I give a crap why some Zainab person cried?  Are you REALLY talking about God and MAGIC and some ridiculous book of evil old fables again?  Really?  Do you have NO life?  No friends?  No brain???

(September 26, 2017 at 9:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Curiosity killed the cat, so say the ancient folk.
Curiosity is not a human trait.

And the curiosity towards space should stem from the observation that it moves relative to us, but moves periodically.

Cats are natural hunters; that's why they are curious. They are derived by interest (like hunger or finding hiding spots), but my question still remains: what drives humans on the other hand, to explore the heavens? what do we have there to care about?

If you choose the attractiveness and beauty of the scene; it asks: why is it so attractive; then?
If you choose evolution, then why did humans didn't grow the same feeling to other scenes? especially these days when we discovered the devastating hostility it has for human visitors.

All of nature is not bound to our laws and doesn't move relative to us.

Quote: And the curiosity towards space should stem from the observation that it moves relative to us, but moves periodically.

Elaborate

(September 30, 2017 at 2:04 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(September 26, 2017 at 9:07 am)pocaracas Wrote: Curiosity killed the cat, so say the ancient folk.
Curiosity is not a human trait.

And the curiosity towards space should stem from the observation that it moves relative to us, but moves periodically.

Cats are natural hunters; that's why they are curious. They are derived by interest (like hunger or finding hiding spots), but my question still remains: what drives humans on the other hand, to explore the heavens? what do we have there to care about?

We, too, are natural hunters... and we see birds hunting... and we want to be there with them.

(September 30, 2017 at 2:04 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: If you choose the attractiveness and beauty of the scene; it asks: why is it so attractive; then?
If you choose evolution, then why did humans didn't grow the same feeling to other scenes? especially these days when we discovered the devastating hostility it has for human visitors.

I think you'll find that not many people yearn to be in the void of space.
We just find beauty in the shapes, the colors... they appear with patterns that seem non-threatening to us, hence our wish to know more, to find out what those things are... like the cat, we investigate.

(September 30, 2017 at 2:04 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: All of nature is not bound to our laws and doesn't move relative to us.

Quote: And the curiosity towards space should stem from the observation that it moves relative to us, but moves periodically.

Elaborate

Long ago, man looked up. And saw the sun, the moon and the stars.
All these spin around our heads... some stars seem to be fixed on the black background..... others wander around in strange patterns, the wandering stars, or, in Greek, planētes asteres. Hence we had our planets.

All these twirled around the heads of those people of old. Twirled periodically... like the seasons... like the moon... why such periodicity?

(September 26, 2017 at 9:01 am)MysticKnight Wrote: The Guide in Quran is said to not to be guardian or custodian regarding disbelievers, that is God could have made it that the Guide or Mohammad during his time protects everyone and keeps them safe from misguidance, but it's been destined, one must come to the door of God humbly, one must enter the fortress of God humbly, and that guidance is to be followed with will but humble faith, Satan and his forces, on the other hand, try to intrude in every step and offer to protect you, and offer delusionary grandeur, but Quran says "O you who believe, take care of yourselves" and says in that regard the one who misguides cannot misguide them if they do so. And indeed there is no Guide for who God who misguides despite from another angle, there is a Guide for every people. The witness does call people to God even when they run away, but despite his ability to do so, he doesn't use his power and force faith on to people, he doesn't force them to submit. He waits us to come to him and calls us to God while the dark forces offer to teach us magic and protect us by it, their promises are delusionary and lies, while God's chosen ones are a barrier against dark forces, and they are God's Name which is the cure out of the misguided confusion, and they are the navigators to the justice world people must come to and we are to be part of God's plan through seeking a means to him and by that means and connection, striving in his way and fulfilling the desire of God's appointed King on earth. And indeed the help of God is promised through the Master and Helper appointed by God, but those who hate the truth of God's light will have no helper in this world and the next. Everyone can talk deep none-sense about the unseen from a far place, but who will you turn to and trust other than the family of the reminder and God's chosen Navigators and appointed Leaders who are meant to lead humanity while others leadership and authority is not meant for them to take with respect to religion.

I agree, I won't get a helper in the next life. Because there is no next life. This is the only one I have.

If I "died" and went to Heaven... it would still be this life really. It would mean I hadn't really died. A supposed 'afterlife' if real would just be the continuation of the current life.

It's more like level 2 of the same game rather than a whole other game.